View Full Version : The Wizzard Whine Thread!
As FS's started coplaining that they don't have a ATT buff, NOW we will coppy their ideea since I think it's totally RIDICULOUS that a WIZZARD!(Master of spells and buffs) Doesn't have a +MAGIC BUFF!? This seems quite ... wrong ...
So let's start Whining until we get our Magic buff!
GIVE US MORE MAGIC! DOOH! WI IS WAY UNDERPOWERED!
D.A.N.T.E.
13-04-2009, 21:18
GIVE US BUFFS!!!spaaaaaam!!(good for post count :D ) GIVE US BUFFS! GIVE US BUFFS!!1ONE
GIVE US BUFFS!!!spaaaaaam!!(good for post count :D ) GIVE US BUFFS! GIVE US BUFFS!!1ONE
There ya go! Helps Post count too! GOGO SPAM! xD(be sure not go :offtopic: too much at least xD)
Nooooooooooooooo.......
that So won't be fair :< Nothing has to change! :>
It's awesome for you guys to have a attack buff! :>
Not a magic buff :>
You guys are already overpowered! :p
agreed. WI without a Magic Buff is Like Wi in Episode3 without a stick.
or Wi Without a Magic Buff Is Like an Anime girl without her Cuteness.
GIVE WI IT'S CUTENESS!!! GIVE US THE MAGIC BUFF!
Nooooooooooooooo.......
that So won't be fair :< Nothing has to change! :>
It's awesome for you guys to have a attack buff! :>
Not a magic buff :>
You guys are already overpowered! :p
And how are we overpowered when we can't defeat any1 even if our items are 2x better?
Or WHY DOES EVRYONE HAVE A BUFF TO INCREAS THEYR DMG FOR A LONG TIME, EXCEPT WI's?! EH?
agreed. WI without a Magic Buff is Like Wi in Episode3 without a stick.
or Wi Without a Magic Buff Is Like an Anime girl without her Cuteness.
GIVE WI IT'S CUTENESS!!! GIVE US THE MAGIC BUFF!
Haha..They won't give it to you guys! ....Attack buff ftw :p
But really..if they do give you guys a magic attack buff..cuz now you guys can already reach maybe EASILY 1000+ magic..So then..It won't be fair! :sad:
And how are we overpowered when we can't defeat any1 even if our items are 2x better?
Or WHY DOES EVRYONE HAVE A BUFF TO INCREAS THEYR DMG FOR A LONG TIME, EXCEPT WI's?! EH?
You guys can..but you just need a good set:p
About the second part..I can't do anything about it:P
Wiz is already strong! :( ;
CUZ OF THEIR SP BUFF! EVERYONE WANTS THAT! :sad:
-_- Stop whinning, wizard already have high magic without any long buff duration.
Wiz are by far the most useful class in a party, they are damn good in pve, have a uber bm2, can be easily in the top 10 in war,...
Now you want to be the best at single pvp too?
Silversurfer07
13-04-2009, 22:02
Is this the wizard section?
Buff plz :)
-_- Stop whinning, wizard already have high magic without any long buff duration.
Wiz are by far the most useful class in a party, they are damn good in pve, have a uber bm2, can be easily in the top 10 in war,...
Now you want to be the best at single pvp too?
okay, then why is your WI's magic so low compared to ur WA's att? WI is supouse to be the reflection of WA on magic! o.O"
And then why did fs get ATT buff? they had OP deff too, and they have 100% dmg on comp, and they are a DEFF class ...
DO we have anything special on the comp skill? - no
Do we have high deff? - no
Where is our magic when we go on CRIT dmg? - (142 WI 2 lapis orbs and eos+7 = 894 magic, that's not too much for a magic class.)
So I i still think that WI's diserve AMP buff!
P.S. About the party thing, I'm personally sick of ppl random requesting SP buff, OR to be used just as a "SP CAN" ...
okay, then why is your WI's magic so low compared to ur WA's att? WI is supouse to be the reflection of WA on magic! o.O"
My wizard is lvl 123, my warrior 153 and I still didn't manage to make +7 my orbs
And then why did fs get ATT buff? they had OP deff too, and they have 100% dmg on comp, and they are a DEFF class ...
sFS was clearly underpower compared to all other class I think
DO we have anything special on the comp skill? - no
5sec stun, it's a gift from the sky in pve
Do we have high deff? - no
We're not supposed too
Where is our magic when we go on CRIT dmg? - (142 WI 2 lapis orbs and eos+7 = 894 magic, that's not too much for a magic class.)
I'm not sure about it, i'll check by myself
Read in red :)
Edit: Maybe you'"re bored with giving sp, but well, it's the best party buff in the game, don't complain about our best buff ;)
Read in red :)
Edit: Maybe you'"re bored with giving sp, but well, it's the best party buff in the game, don't complain about our best buff ;)
That is true, but it's a party buff,
WI may have sun on the GM skill, it is good for pve, but most of the others have Knowckdown, and FA also haves Stun ... And they have magic buff!
We should at least get theyr magic buff.
Edit: WI should be like a WA on magic
Look:
FA(Fast skills many crits) - BL (Fast skills many crits)
FS(OP crit buffs) - FB(OP crit buffs)
WA (No special crit buffs but high att) - ? WI (High magic ... but then our Crits will be way lower... as they have att buff and we don't!) xD
With a +21 magic buff, we'd have 915 magic(which u get with lapis and eos+7), way more acceptable.
Imho, none malee should have any buffs, as they are "physical" classes. they should be able to use POTS (or other "things") only.
Only all "magic" classes should have buffs.
Now seems WA has more buffs than Wiz ;-)
Cheers,
A.
kratos05
14-04-2009, 07:12
I already made a thread comparing BL with WIZ..and asking for 29 magic instead of 29 attk(sharpness ftw).It won't work-_-'
BUT GIVES US 29 MAGIC NOT 29 ATTK NUBZORS!!!!!WE ARE MAGIC CLASS NOT SWORD CLASS!!!1111
p.s.:anyone wants to go sWI?
Creationeer
14-04-2009, 07:23
Only thing I can think of is that our WI defense is lower because we have "alot" of stun skills in PVE. Yes, that's understandable, however stuncombo has super low DPS. So, I am forced to use those lame canons as always to get atleast a big normal DPS. Ok, so I made a nice combo with canons and Gmaster skill so the monsters won't really move or attack once in 6 skills.
Then in pvp..
First of all, because of PVE requires canons to do atleast some damage, I can't buy lances because the spots are full or all my skill points are used. Space Collapse, Artic field and maybe even Extreme Dual Canon are pretty much useless in pvp.. So not so much use for "stun", but still insanely low defense. Fightning in amp set with 700 defense max, unless you have amped mithril set ofc, but not many players have that. So this bothers me as well that I can't have 2 good combo's for both PVE and PVP.
As for the magic buff, I think it's not really the magic. If you choose crit with lapis, you crits will be nice enough to compare the 100 less magic. Especially in BM2(+aura). Just what you choose.
Nah
All we need is the removal of pt exclusive from the SP buff.
It should be a pt buff that you can use solo.
It would be pro.
Nah
All we need is the removal of pt exclusive from the SP buff.
It should be a pt buff that you can use solo.
It would be pro.
i think that wouldn't be fair, cause it would allow u to stay non-stop on BM.
Cheers,
A.
i think that wouldn't be fair, cause it would allow u to stay non-stop on BM.
Cheers,
A.
No wiz would whine that his magic/def was too low then.
xxdvinexx
14-04-2009, 08:25
Nah
All we need is the removal of pt exclusive from the SP buff.
It should be a pt buff that you can use solo.
It would be pro.
I agree, might not have the magic buff, but sp should be left out to be cast even if not in parties...
I already made a thread comparing BL with WIZ..and asking for 29 magic instead of 29 attk(sharpness ftw).It won't work-_-'
BUT GIVES US 29 MAGIC NOT 29 ATTK NUBZORS!!!!!WE ARE MAGIC CLASS NOT SWORD CLASS!!!1111
p.s.:anyone wants to go sWI?
I thought of a sWI, but I'd need a GM/COMP skill xD
Nah
All we need is the removal of pt exclusive from the SP buff.
It should be a pt buff that you can use solo.
It would be pro.
This would make us too OP
I agree, might not have the magic buff, but sp should be left out to be cast even if not in parties...
Too overpowered then, but they could at least let us cast it even if the party member is out of range!!!
I'm not trying to make WI overpowered, I just want to make it more or less even with all the other chars!
And considering that you RUINED our BM2 against players, I think we deserve that!
even the FB got a OP BM attack!
D.A.N.T.E.
14-04-2009, 09:14
duh thats why i switched on fb wizards are ruined..they are rare species...like white lions...
apollllo
14-04-2009, 09:48
Couldnt agree more with you. WI need magic buff ^^
+1000
Elleminator
14-04-2009, 10:18
Magic buff for Wizards!
And an effect for Space Collapse (dbl dmg at mobs like all other class have)
in my opinion wi have to be the dmg dealer
yes we already do high dmg but not high enough compared to our low def and hp!
D.A.N.T.E.
14-04-2009, 10:20
Magic buff for Wizards!
And an effect for Space Collapse (dbl dmg at mobs like all other class have)
in my opinion wi have to be the dmg dealer
yes we already do high dmg but not high enough compared to our low def and hp!
yes..when i crit with my fb on assassinate his dmg goes like 11+x500 on ice ghoul warriors...space colapse does on my wiz around 2-3k -.-..we want MAGIC BUFF+DBL DMG!
xxdvinexx
14-04-2009, 10:23
I thought of a sWI, but I'd need a GM/COMP skill xD
This would make us too OP
Too overpowered then, but they could at least let us cast it even if the party member is out of range!!!
I'm not trying to make WI overpowered, I just want to make it more or less even with all the other chars!
And considering that you RUINED our BM2 against players, I think we deserve that!
even the FB got a OP BM attack!
Well bl have 2 good buff *dmg+amp*, crushing blow, fast bm2*and with the retarget trick its hyper fast*, rly nice def+hp buffs...not to count they have rly nice def and def rate by themselves and many many more good things
All i ask is to be able to sp myself whn i can...wow...probably at that moment I'd be on the same level of bladers, but hey no we'd become too op... LOL
Elleminator
14-04-2009, 10:51
yes..when i crit with my fb on assassinate his dmg goes like 11+x500 on ice ghoul warriors...space colapse does on my wiz around 2-3k -.-..we want MAGIC BUFF+DBL DMG!
but the problem is i am not sure how it works in bm2... maybe we will be overpowered with dbl dmg
Well bl have 2 good buff *dmg+amp*, crushing blow, fast bm2*and with the retarget trick its hyper fast*, rly nice def+hp buffs...not to count they have rly nice def and def rate by themselves and many many more good things
All i ask is to be able to sp myself whn i can...wow...probably at that moment I'd be on the same level of bladers, but hey no we'd become too op... LOL
we will be overpowered using the sp buff like that, since will will be in constant bm2.
but the problem is i am not sure how it works in bm2... maybe we will be overpowered with dbl dmg
and when BL's or WA's kill you before you even have the chance to get up in BM2 is not overpowered ? xD
Personally i think that better and maybe easier would be to increase def rate (new skill ??). This would cause elimination or limitation of using vamp stuff and thus replace vamp items with cirt/dmg/amp ones thus increasing whole DMG.
Changing def or dmg may influence other aspects of game like pvp/tg/war, which wouldn't be fair to other classes (assuming blanace is in place ;-) ). Changing def rate would only affect WIZ pve, which would be far than enough
i'm pretty sure new skill with +magic will be like 15sec duration and 5 mins of cooling...
(i'm affraid....useless in most of scenarios)
Cheers,
A.
we will be overpowered using the sp buff like that, since will will be in constant bm2.
and when BL's or WA's kill you before you even have the chance to get up in BM2 is not overpowered ? xD
First you say it's OP that we'll be in constant BM and then you say we won't be able to be in BM because a war/bl shall kill us before the casting is done.
@Dante: why do you use comp in B1F? Cannons/lances out DPS our slow skills.
Chaoslordx8
14-04-2009, 11:33
+1 from someone who was always loyal to wizards, even at times like these.
Nooo, don't, WIs are op, I have no problems soloing garlies whatsoever!
But wouldn't mind that. ;)
Elleminator
14-04-2009, 11:58
and when BL's or WA's kill you before you even have the chance to get up in BM2 is not overpowered ? xD
ofc ur right but i mean wi would be overpowered in pve not in pvp (in dungeons where we are not killed with 1 hit :shok:)!
for pvp wi have to get magic buff! ^^
hansybansy
14-04-2009, 12:00
imo wizards nowadays really lack something. i dont know what exactly it is, magic is actually pretty good, but having lowest def, lowest hp, then the magic is not good enough.
give wizards mortalbane and watch them getting onehit by nipperlugs?
First you say it's OP that we'll be in constant BM and then you say we won't be able to be in BM because a war/bl shall kill us before the casting is done.
@Dante: why do you use comp in B1F? Cannons/lances out DPS our slow skills.
I SAYD:
IF WE COULD USE SP BUFF WITHOUT A PARTY, WE WOULD BE TOO OVERPOWERED SINCE WE WILL GO SOLO EVRYWERE, AND STAY IN BM2 A LOT! BUT COMPARED TO A FEW OTHER CLASSES OUR BM2 IS ALSO OVERPOWERED, BUT A MAGIC BUFF TO IT WOULDN HURT TO THE BM2 SINCE THEY ALREADY RUINED OUR BM2'S DMG ... !
DooH!
Also, most of the classes can use the BM bug(except FA who haves no need for it),
thile we still cast skills. But i will not complain on this, ALL I WANT IS A MAGIC BUFF! BEING THE ONLY CLASS WHO DOES NOT HAVE A BUFF FOR BOOSTING IT'S DMG(over a longer period) I THINK WE DISERVE IT!(if not crit rate/dmg buff is acceptable too lol xD)
TheComedian
14-04-2009, 12:15
imo wizards nowadays really lack something. i dont know what exactly it is, magic is actually pretty good, but having lowest def, lowest hp, then the magic is not good enough.
+1
Im trying to find this lack since a long time,its difficult to be found.
whatever,nevermind... this is our fate
ofc ur right but i mean wi would be overpowered in pve not in pvp (in dungeons where we are not killed with 1 hit :shok:)!
for pvp wi have to get magic buff! ^^
29 Magic extra or smth would only help evryone, as we would do a bit more dmg in dungeons. (The same way the new att in BM2 helped at FB)
imo wizards nowadays really lack something. i dont know what exactly it is, magic is actually pretty good, but having lowest def, lowest hp, then the magic is not good enough.
That is true, but if we get more magic maybe we get to kill the mobs before they kill us. So it's better than nothing.
give wizards mortalbane and watch them getting onehit by nipperlugs?
even if WI's would get "mortalbane", a WI stays behiend and attacks! so we wouldn't get killed! AND! we are talking about A LONG DURATION BUFF?
prikalist
14-04-2009, 12:34
I SAYD:
Also, most of the classes can use the BM bug(except FA who haves no need for it),
thile we still cast skills. But i will not complain on this, ALL I WANT IS A MAGIC BUFF! BEING THE ONLY CLASS WHO DOES NOT HAVE A BUFF FOR BOOSTING IT'S DMG(over a longer period) I THINK WE DISERVE IT!(if not crit rate/dmg buff is acceptable too lol xD)
+1 , fully agreed .
Controversy
14-04-2009, 12:36
Yeah, give this buff to all wizards, except prkalist, please.
prikalist
14-04-2009, 12:43
Yeah, give this buff to all wizards, except prkalist, please.
<3!
oh wait ! not fair! :(
Controversy
14-04-2009, 12:45
<3!
oh wait ! not fair! :(
Cabal isn't fair, honey :)
enlightenedphoenix
14-04-2009, 12:54
We want buff... either +300 def rate or +29 magic :D
We want buff... either +300 def rate or +29 magic :D
Or any other usefull buff!(of long duration! x3)
Can be more than 29 magic or 300 deffrate, or it can be critrate/dmg. OR at least A bonus for the staff like the FA gets for it's astral weapon x3 (our staff can be a astral weapon too! :D)
enlightenedphoenix
14-04-2009, 13:02
We will never get it... not until koreans want that too...
We will never get it... not until koreans want that too...
Yes, you are right, hmm this means i'll be needing a acc on the korean forum :nyam:
(cya in 1h and 30([-/+15] min after this post is sent! xD)
enlightenedphoenix
14-04-2009, 13:14
Yes, you are right, hmm this means i'll be needing a acc on the korean forum :nyam:
(cya in 1h and 30([-/+15] min after this post is sent! xD)
Why's that? As i know... forums will be, and are online...
Why's that? As i know... forums will be, and are online...
:offtopic:
Going to tennis xD
Why's that? As i know... forums will be, and are online...
Cuz..if the Korean's get it..We will get it too! :<
So....
Or..we get new buffs for wiz first, and then the Korean's will copy it from us!
But still..I don't want it! No more buffs for wiz! They are already powerfull!:sad:
(FB MUST BECOME STRONGER!:p)
enlightenedphoenix
14-04-2009, 13:26
Cuz..if the Korean's get it..We will get it too! :<
So....
Or..we get new buffs for wiz first, and then the Korean's will copy it from us!
But still..I don't want it! No more buffs for wiz! They are already powerfull!:sad:
(FB MUST BECOME STRONGER!:p)
You're kidding right :D
Yeah, fb needs to be muuuuch stronger :D
You're kidding right :D
Yeah, fb needs to be muuuuch stronger :D
I am xD
But..it's usefull ofc:P If we can become more stronger:P
@ Topic..; I feel with you guys:P Yea..u guys may get more buffs, maybe 1/2 ..But not more!:P You guys have enough magic already :(
I think you're looking for something like this ->
http://forum.cabalonline.com/showthread.php?t=93119&highlight=whinezard
Am I right? :D
I think you're looking for something like this ->
http://forum.cabalonline.com/showthread.php?t=93119&highlight=whinezard
Am I right? :D
Ur..maybe right:p
But ..it's like...2/3 times warrior xD
That's too much :(
But it looks awesome tho :p
enlightenedphoenix
14-04-2009, 13:42
Nope... I don't want for wiz to have 1k def... we need to have less def compared to other... but evasivnes should be better... that means 3k def rate will be nuff :D
But it's so ****** that some classes have so much unbuff, and we have just one... and pretty useless one if i may add...
Haha..you want more magic then?
But ...that's too much >_>
So ..if we cant choose..then you guys can't get any extra buff? =O
enlightenedphoenix
14-04-2009, 13:59
Too much magic??? There's no such thing...
A bonus for the staff like the FA gets for it's astral weapon x3 (our staff can be a astral weapon too! )
that would definitely be the best idea in my opinion!
i mean - cmon, we already have some nice amount of magic, better option would be making this silly stick useful :P as we should be dmg dealers and as crit is on astral bow, maybe staffs could give magic amp? - for example same amount of it as crit rate on astral bow!
though i would personally like crit (rate / dmg / rate&dmg - whatever) increase,
the idea of making sp buff work without party is very nice too :P though as many said before me it would be too OP :D
Too much magic??? There's no such thing...
If ya got mithril orbs, some nice bos..etc, you can easily go to magic 1000+
With maybe lvl 150/160 + then:P
Not on a low lvl thingie ><
:crazy:
Silversurfer07
14-04-2009, 14:11
buff plzzz
If ya got mithril orbs, some nice bos..etc, you can easily go to magic 1000+
With maybe lvl 150/160 + then:P
Not on a low lvl thingie ><
:crazy:
yup
im lvl 150, 2xmith orb+6, 2xbos+4, eos+6 = 1003 magic
so 1k magic is not that hard to achieve, though the amount of magic is not all that is important... i'd give away those 100magic points for some nice increase in crit rate&dmg
so as i said before - GIVE US A REAL ASTRAL WEAPON :D not only a useless stick
buff plzzz
That''s the only thing you can say?:(
'WE WANT MORE BUFFS, WE WANT MORE BUFFS!:protest:'
yup
im lvl 150, 2xmith orb+6, 2xbos+4, eos+6 = 1003 magic
so 1k magic is not that hard to achieve, though the amount of magic is not all that is important... i'd give away those 100magic points for some nice increase in crit rate&dmg
so as i said before - GIVE US A REAL ASTRAL WEAPON :D not only a useless stick
Damn..told ya, 1003 magic already..
So It ain't so hard to get it;)
But still..you guys may get another buff..
More buffs for wiz!:protest:
(But it can't become stronger than fb!)
Silversurfer07
14-04-2009, 14:21
That''s the only thing you can say?:(
'WE WANT MORE BUFFS, WE WANT MORE BUFFS!:protest:'
Damn..told ya, 1003 magic already..
So It ain't so hard to get it;)
But still..you guys may get another buff..
More buffs for wiz!:protest:
(But it can't become stronger than fb!)
Buffs are cool :(
Tombi432
14-04-2009, 14:24
maybe we should scout ingame about cabal balance like alz shouter
oh don't be sad wizards, im sure that wizards have cooler magic tricks then we fb's do?:)
[THC]durex
14-04-2009, 14:25
Magic buff FTW xD
To be honest I don't have any points for extra buffs.
Thus I just want my no pt req for SP buff.
oh don't be sad wizards, im sure that wizards have cooler magic tricks then we fb's do?:)
They don't!
And they won't get!
:D
We fb's must stay the most powerfull class! (We are not atm, but we will!:D)
Please give them their buff!:(
Elleminator
14-04-2009, 15:09
wi need some more skill points too... i just have 4 left at full trans so if we get a new buff what to do? dont want to skill lances/cannons back to 9
yup
im lvl 150, 2xmith orb+6, 2xbos+4, eos+6 = 1003 magic
so 1k magic is not that hard to achieve, though the amount of magic is not all that is important... i'd give away those 100magic points for some nice increase in crit rate&dmg
so as i said before - GIVE US A REAL ASTRAL WEAPON :D not only a useless stick
yes, with 2xmith orbs +6 2xbos +4, eos+6 = 1003 magic, and how much crit dmg u have with that built? o_O hmm? gogo .. say it ... How much att haves a wa with osm GS and eof+6? how much att haves a BL with 2x osm? Belive me, more than we have magic.
And even a fs can get 900 magic(or so) like that -.-, what's the point of having a WI(A.K.A. Master of Magic) if a mFS can get kinda same magic?(don't forget they get more crit rate/dmg eassyer)
To be honest I don't have any points for extra buffs.
Thus I just want my no pt req for SP buff.
For a magic buff u will sacrifice a skill x3
D.A.N.T.E.
14-04-2009, 17:03
@Dante: why do you use comp in B1F? Cannons/lances out DPS our slow skills.
well my wiz has quite low def and def rate though i got 200 dex its def rate still sux... got around 820 magic and around 560 def which is really low...but what i wanted to say is...comparing wizards 1 hit space collapse has way lower damage than force bladers assassinate as far as i know 10x500=5000 isn't as same as 3k is it?oh yeah and fb got 620 atack 14% sword amp and 45 cd...wiz got 50 cd and 25% amp do you get my point?
Margot74
14-04-2009, 17:55
+1 wizzard want buff magic xD
CommanderOfNod
14-04-2009, 17:58
just get rid of sharpness lol
just get rid of sharpness lol
+1
But it can be even eassyer ... how many of u find a use in that 10% resist down ... buff? xD
enlightenedphoenix
14-04-2009, 18:08
Hm... no one?
+1
But it can be even eassyer ... how many of u find a use in that 10% resist down ... buff? xD
Don't have sharpness, don't have the resist buff.
And I still lack points for a magic buff.
Don't have sharpness, don't have the resist buff.
And I still lack points for a magic buff.
woot ... on what useless crap did u waste ur pts? xD
woot ... on what useless crap did u waste ur pts? xD
I don't have any useless crap imo.
Well regen lvl 4 has barely any use.
I don't have any useless crap imo.
Well regen lvl 4 has barely any use.
I have like 40 pts left, and could get more
I have like 40 pts left, and could get more
You prolly lack a decent skill.
Post your set up.
Well,
I have:
Osm martialsuit +6 (7% m amp 50 hp) / Mithril suit 140 HP +5
Mystic Gloves +6 (5% m amp craft) / Mithril Gloves +5 (HP restore)
Bluestin Martialboots 7% m amp +4(as soon as i stop d/cing +7/8 with 80HP) / Mithril +6 (deff in slot)
Tit Martialhelm 12% rate 24% dmg +7
Bos+3 sloted & Bos+4
Lapis orb 5% rate 20% dmg & 30% dmg +6
Aop +4 & 2x Rol+2
enlightenedphoenix
14-04-2009, 19:06
Hm... not gear... set up... He means skill you have...
WI is the best class in CABAL, as long as u are playing for PvE and donīt want to be a pro in PvPing with others
I have a WI lv 146 and itīs easier to get cores in CA, as with my BL, coz of itīs uber RANGE and pro DMG
(my WI have 10% crit orb...)
to the def: HP steal FTW, in bm2 u can use 2 skills at once, thatīs enough to stand everything.
i got 1015 magic with lapis and aqua ^^ 29 would be nice addition tho :P
i got 1015 magic with lapis and aqua ^^ 29 would be nice addition tho :P
yes, and u only need a eos +8 to achive that x3
WI is the best class in CABAL, as long as u are playing for PvE and donīt want to be a pro in PvPing with others
I have a WI lv 146 and itīs easier to get cores in CA, as with my BL, coz of itīs uber RANGE and pro DMG
(my WI have 10% crit orb...)
to the def: HP steal FTW, in bm2 u can use 2 skills at once, thatīs enough to stand everything.
Hmm, kinda true, thing is playing only for PVE gets booring, you still want to pvp from time to time and then u get owned hard but w/e. Still, I think that it's unfair that all the classes have a dmg boosting buff(some even have 2 or more) and WI's don't have any.
We should get a magci buff! (or at least a deffrate buff or smth there ... anyting to reduce the lack of balance)
Well,
I have:
Osm martialsuit +6 (7% m amp 50 hp) / Mithril suit 140 HP +5
Mystic Gloves +6 (5% m amp craft) / Mithril Gloves +5 (HP restore)
Bluestin Martialboots 7% m amp +4(as soon as i stop d/cing +7/8 with 80HP) / Mithril +6 (deff in slot)
Tit Martialhelm 12% rate 24% dmg +7
Bos+3 sloted & Bos+4
Lapis orb 5% rate 20% dmg & 30% dmg +6
Aop +4 & 2x Rol+2
Your skill set up obviously.
I want to know what useful skill you ditched to have that many free skill points.
WI is the best class in CABAL, as long as u are playing for PvE and donīt want to be a pro in PvPing with others
I have a WI lv 146 and itīs easier to get cores in CA, as with my BL, coz of itīs uber RANGE and pro DMG
(my WI have 10% crit orb...)
to the def: HP steal FTW, in bm2 u can use 2 skills at once, thatīs enough to stand everything.
Your skill set up obviously.
I want to know what useful skill you ditched to have that many free skill points.
ow,
Sharpness 20
Weaken 16(I'm not using it ...)
Regeneration 4 x3
Mass Restore 20
Aqua Cannon 20
Terra Lance 20
Lightning Cannon 20
Hardness 20
Fire Lance 20
Chain Explosion 9
Energy Field 14
Force Increase 20
Blink 9
Hailstorm 20
Arctic Field 12
Dual Cannon 12
Fire Cannon 20
Stone Cannon 20
Vacum 20
Spirit Intension 20
Space Collapse 12
Acid Trab 20
Aqua Lance 20
SP 20
Highest Regen 20
Amp buff 20
apollllo
14-04-2009, 22:47
Sharpness 20
Weaken 16(I'm not using it ...)
Regeneration 4 x3
Mass Restore 20
Aqua Cannon 20
Terra Lance 20
Lightning Cannon 20
Hardness 20
Fire Lance 20
Chain Explosion 9
Energy Field 14
Force Increase 20
Blink 9
Hailstorm 20
Arctic Field 12
Dual Cannon 12
Fire Cannon 20
Stone Cannon 20
Vacum 20
Spirit Intension 20
Space Collapse 12
Acid Trab 20
Aqua Lance 20
SP 20
Highest Regen 20
Amp buff 20
you dont need the red ones :) :shok:
I must say thats its quite funny how every class forum has some players that play the a particular class write threads in which they complain about certain aspects of a class, but it happens with EACH class, perhaps less with some then others, but what do you thread starters think to accomplish? It's not like cabal's 'bosses' (gm's / estsoft and more) change their opinions reading this (that is IF their reading this) let alone the fact that this is the same kind of thread like many others...
I just can't see it anyway else then another thread in which some give their opinion about something after which the thread slowly sinks down in the huge archive of the forums
Feel free to point me out the reason of threads like this>,<
Sharpness 20
Weaken 16(I'm not using it ...)
Regeneration 4 x3
Mass Restore 20
Aqua Cannon 20
Terra Lance 20
Lightning Cannon 20
Hardness 20
Fire Lance 20
Chain Explosion 9
Energy Field 14
Force Increase 20
Blink 9
Hailstorm 20
Arctic Field 12
Dual Cannon 12
Fire Cannon 20
Stone Cannon 20
Vacum 20
Spirit Intension 20
Space Collapse 12
Acid Trab 20
Aqua Lance 20
SP 20
Highest Regen 20
Amp buff 20
you dont need the red ones :) :shok:
lol , vacuum in bm2 rox
Sharpness 20
Weaken 16(I'm not using it ...)
Regeneration 4 x3
Mass Restore 20
Aqua Cannon 20
Terra Lance 20
Lightning Cannon 20
Hardness 20
Fire Lance 20
Chain Explosion 9
Energy Field 14
Force Increase 20
Blink 9
Hailstorm 20
Arctic Field 12
Dual Cannon 12
Fire Cannon 20
Stone Cannon 20
Vacum 20
Spirit Intension 20
Space Collapse 12
Acid Trab 20
Aqua Lance 20
SP 20
Highest Regen 20
Amp buff 20
you dont need the red ones :) :shok:
I use acid Trab in TG to kill FS's in AOD
And Vacum is fun x3 (+ would have even more free points and slots empty .. so ..
I must say thats its quite funny how every class forum has some players that play the a particular class write threads in which they complain about certain aspects of a class, but it happens with EACH class, perhaps less with some then others, but what do you thread starters think to accomplish? It's not like cabal's 'bosses' (gm's / estsoft and more) change their opinions reading this (that is IF their reading this) let alone the fact that this is the same kind of thread like many others...
I just can't see it anyway else then another thread in which some give their opinion about something after which the thread slowly sinks down in the huge archive of the forums
Feel free to point me out the reason of threads like this>,<
We made this thread because the FS's whined a lot about a attack buff, and they got one. So hopes up for a buff @ WI!
Razzinnator
15-04-2009, 07:45
whinewhinewhinewhine
kay.
Sup Nicu? :D Quit BL, eh?
ow,
Sharpness 20 > DITCH
Weaken 16(I'm not using it ...) > up to 20, has some uses
Regeneration 4 x3
Mass Restore 20
Aqua Cannon 20
Terra Lance 20
Lightning Cannon 20
Hardness 20
Fire Lance 20
Chain Explosion 9 > DITCH
Energy Field 14 > 18
Force Increase 20
Blink 9
Hailstorm 20
Arctic Field 12 > might be 15, don't remember.
Dual Cannon 12 > 9 for PvE purposes
Fire Cannon 20
Stone Cannon 20
Vacum 20
Spirit Intension 20
Space Collapse 12
Acid Trab 20 > HOW :( ?
Aqua Lance 20
SP 20
Highest Regen 20
Amp buff 20
Red is what's different.
And got freezing lance to 20 for PvP.
Should be it, shall check tonight if anything else is different.
Yeah i think we need more magic power i mean cmon we are master of magic and what we get some nubish buffs LOL WE WANT MORE
maybe the thing u ll get (if u get anything at all) is +3 magic per level of staff(or something like that), (bit like fs get 4 def per level of shield)
D.A.N.T.E.
16-04-2009, 07:27
nah maybe if wiz would get crit rate in that staff or something would be cool..and def rate buff or better def buff....and atack buff on completer like add.dmg buff BL have....we are dmg dealers we need to have high dmg not blader...
3-4 Magic/lv from staff is .... WELCOME! xD
yasinalie
16-04-2009, 10:31
BUFF BUFF BUFF BUFF-ZOR! =D=D=D=D=D
Whine Whine Whine Whine-ZOR!
SpamSpamSpamzor xD
give us solo sp buff. thanks
MonTezuMa
16-04-2009, 12:44
for pve purposes i think that WI's need magic buff & def rate coz we lack of any usefull buffs in pve, i mean c'mon beside force increase and hardness all the buffs are simply useless in pve (also a little improvement to hardness to make it give +39 def instead of 29 coz we have the lowest def in the game would be welcomed :D )
Well we are ment to have the lowes deff cuz of the DPS and for PVE you rly don't need 2 much buffs as you can just use stun lock combo or use the range in good party :P magic buff would be nice or make a staff the astral wep for a little bit more magic so that the wizzard would be high att low deff but all in all I'm happy whit my wizz even tho I got crapy gear wouldn't change class :P
darkpaulo
16-04-2009, 15:28
Give wizard:
Crit dmg / crit rate buff
-then we wont need low magic pery orb extended to get extra rate. (103 magic)
or
-then we wont need low def tita martialhelm extended to get extra rate (79 def)
def rate buff
- so even with low def it will be easier to surive in pve
Little_B
16-04-2009, 19:22
I support Nicu!!!!!!!!!
its shud give us atleast 50 magic bonus coz thts how much fs get or even better 70 like wa/bl get to make life fair, but wiz hit very fast and imo overal we pwn the damage over 20 sec wid equal gear/lvl/rank thn other classes
its shud give us atleast 50 magic bonus coz thts how much fs get or even better 70 like wa/bl get to make life fair, but wiz hit very fast and imo overal we pwn the damage over 20 sec wid equal gear/lvl/rank thn other classes
but FA's have same cannons, with lower cast time o_O?
Simple to get things ballanced little bit more.
OR little more defence.
OR make the staff an astral weapon like FA has.
Simple to get things ballanced little bit more.
OR little more defence.
OR make the staff an astral weapon like FA has.
++++++++++1 x3 :friends:
anyone playing on lvl 95-130 chars?
theres a WI invasion
i see WIs everywhere
LS is full of them, everyday i party 2-3 new WIs
now in MF the same thing
WI WI WI
and the TG...lol is WI everywhere
i see everybody complaining about WI, but ive never seen so many WIs ingame since i started
and i started looong ago
so...wazap?
anyone playing on lvl 95-130 chars?
theres a WI invasion
i see WIs everywhere
LS is full of them, everyday i party 2-3 new WIs
now in MF the same thing
WI WI WI
and the TG...lol is WI everywhere
i see everybody complaining about WI, but ive never seen so many WIs ingame since i started
and i started looong ago
so...wazap?
People find WI enjoyable to play, since it haves nice skills, Blink <3, and it's the sexyest! :o
But many wi's quit at higher lvl starting a WA,FB or BL(or even FA), cuz they find out how overpowered WI is
longer duration for amp buff XD make it like 10 minutes or something XD
individual sp buff XD
CRIT RATE BUFF...even 10% would be really great!
then instant immunity buff, so that fb's won't be able to root us!
longer duration for amp buff XD make it like 10 minutes or something XD
individual sp buff XD
CRIT RATE BUFF...even 10% would be really great!
then instant immunity buff, so that fb's won't be able to root us!
Why a rate buff?
I have 46 rate with 1 orb and 50 with a 2nd one.
I vote for a crit dam buff, I have enough rate.
Why a rate buff?
I have 46 rate with 1 orb and 50 with a 2nd one.
I vote for a crit dam buff, I have enough rate.
rate buff = u can use 2x orbs 40 dmg and helm 40 without putting rate aka full dmg
rate buff = u can use 2x orbs 40 dmg and helm 40 without putting rate aka full dmg
Well damage buff leads to the same result without the need to change my orbs.
Mkay?
darkpaulo
23-04-2009, 11:32
Well damage buff leads to the same result without the need to change my orbs.
Mkay?
If we get dmg buff it should be at least 16 dmg or more. If not, 10% rate buff is better.
HiddenWiz
23-04-2009, 11:56
why buffs, i hate to buff after every die in tg,
just raise the base of a wizard.. for example 1int or 1.5int = 1magic would be much better
Latrivan
23-04-2009, 19:50
No! I got a better idea. Let's make the staff an Astral Staff so you have to SUMMON it like FS and FA do so that will give you EXTRA Magic attack!
What about that?
No! I got a better idea. Let's make the staff an Astral Staff so you have to SUMMON it like FS and FA do so that will give you EXTRA Magic attack!
What about that?
Takes too much time, just add the bonus without summoning.
shorter casting time for lances and cannons....0.5 sec...FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! short cooldown time as well :))
JoeAverage
24-04-2009, 01:16
An HP boost would be nice. Or maybe a self buff that gives up 500 HP. Or... maybe a short buff that reduces the damage we take by 20% but reduces our max MP by 50%.
Only thing we need is moarrrr def q.q
Havoc[NA]
24-04-2009, 05:40
haha, they could make spirit intention not party buff.
in exchange for wi having the lowest crit rate in the game, they can have the highest resistance in the game against crits.
kingpint
24-04-2009, 05:48
get used to it ladys, it's hard to see the truth... EST hates us. I don't know why they try to kill more and more wizards, so many really good WI's quit.. It's a real shame. But what makes me sad is, that there are 100's of ideas came up for WI and nothing has changed, all what happens are even more nerfs... Don't bother crying about buffs, more def, def-rate, rising dmg.. It won't happen. Get used to it, or start a BL.
But ending offtopic, I would prefer rate in buff and a usefull def buff. (+29 def, always laughing my *** of)
get used to it ladys, it's hard to see the truth... EST hates us. I don't know why they try to kill more and more wizards, so many really good WI's quit.. It's a real shame. But what makes me sad is, that there are 100's of ideas came up for WI and nothing has changed, all what happens are even more nerfs... Don't bother crying about buffs, more def, def-rate, rising dmg.. It won't happen. Get used to it, or start a BL.
But ending offtopic, I would prefer rate in buff and a usefull def buff. (+29 def, always laughing my *** of)
No rate buff, I want a crit dam buff.
Reason: crit rate is a lot cheaper than crit dam. Getting a crit dam buf is clearly better and cheaper in the long run.
BTW there was only 1 nerf to the wiz and that was a justified one when they lowered BM2 damage in pk.
Nenalata
24-04-2009, 07:40
Ahh this is a spam thread I see.. o.o
I almost thought you guys seriously wanted to make wizards better :)
No rate buff, I want a crit dam buff.
Reason: crit rate is a lot cheaper than crit dam. Getting a crit dam buf is clearly better and cheaper in the long run.
BTW there was only 1 nerf to the wiz and that was a justified one when they lowered BM2 damage in pk.
once such buff would be implemented prices of rate stuff would rise.
idea of having "anty-crit" buff (that lowers crit rate/dmg of hit) is nice, if u crit at wa u may take him 1k hp which is ~25%, while he crits on u, he takes ~50% of ur hp.
for PVE def rate would be far than enough (as i wrote earlier), that would enable u to replace vamp stuff with dmg stuff, which would incrase overall dmg. Having stun in place would make whole case easier.
Cheers,
A.
once such buff would be implemented prices of rate stuff would rise.
idea of having "anty-crit" buff (that lowers crit rate/dmg of hit) is nice, if u crit at wa u may take him 1k hp which is ~25%, while he crits on u, he takes ~50% of ur hp.
for PVE def rate would be far than enough (as i wrote earlier), that would enable u to replace vamp stuff with dmg stuff, which would incrase overall dmg. Having stun in place would make whole case easier.
Cheers,
A.
Prices won't rise much.
Rate is cheaper on everything even for classes who have rate buffs.
Mainly because you only need 15% when equipping RoL+2*2 if you don't have any rate buffs.
But crit dam increase is unlimited thus will always be more expensive. Thus giving a crit dam buff is better.
Actually, making our crit resist buff a "solo" buff would be ok for pvp, but i would prefere magic, rate or crit dmg.
But any change would be a achivement! :yahoo:
The solo resist buff would makes us a serious opponent in PvP.
dedantemon
24-04-2009, 12:43
Wi has the second biggest atk base from all classes(WA with buff has more), so that is why they do not have an atk buff(WI in Bm2 with atk buff will do even more dmg)
But they have other nice things :p, so don't worry, WI is very good as it is ;)
D.A.N.T.E.
24-04-2009, 18:09
Wi has the second biggest atk base from all classes(WA with buff has more), so that is why they do not have an atk buff(WI in Bm2 with atk buff will do even more dmg)
But they have other nice things :p, so don't worry, WI is very good as it is ;)
shhhhh you got fb not wi XD but in pvp WA wins....and at description of wizard "The Ultimate Destroyer" NOT WA its WIZARD!!!!arrrrgg we need magic buff..or some party buff like fs..mana shield someone suggested :d
dedantemon
24-04-2009, 18:18
shhhhh you got fb not wi XD but in pvp WA wins....and at description of wizard "The Ultimate Destroyer" NOT WA its WIZARD!!!!arrrrgg we need magic buff..or some party buff like fs..mana shield someone suggested :d
Wi is ultimate destroyer in his BM2, 1,7 sec all skills cast time, can use all skills and buffs, I call that Ultimate Distroyer :D
And WA may win in EU PvP, in open PvP, FB still is the best with his debuffs :P
srry for the off topic :p
Elleminator
25-04-2009, 13:48
a buff like mortal bane or bloody spirit would be funny ^^, because we dont have def so it doesnt matter....
but in my opinion every class has to get more skill points and skill slots.... this is the base for new skills
a buff like mortal bane or bloody spirit would be funny ^^, because we dont have def so it doesnt matter....
but in my opinion every class has to get more skill points and skill slots.... this is the base for new skills
+1, would love to have slots and points for a few more skills!
And immagine if you cold learn 2 times the same skill, and keep one on Lv9 and the other on Lv20 or smth, and when u use the lv9 one it cools down like a lv9, and when u use the lv 20 like a lv 20.(but both enter cooldown when u used it! but u can use lv9 wait for lv9 cool, then lv20 and wait as a lv 20 cool until u use the lv9 one again :p.) Hope u get my point!
and
P.S.!
Buff for WI! :o
Only thing we need is moarrrr def q.q
And you where the guy always *****ing me off about this subject.
And now you agree lol.
Anyway ya your right more def or hp would be nice :)
our dmg is already nice we dont need more crt dmg /rate
Would be nice altough if they make our staff an astral weapon same as FA
Why do WI need def? i have 2.4k hp and get hitted for 1k+ dmg in PF, each hit <3. Also we have UBER def rate.
Feels good to be only an sp cow :)
dedantemon
29-04-2009, 09:07
a buff like mortal bane or bloody spirit would be funny ^^, because we dont have def so it doesnt matter....
but in my opinion every class has to get more skill points and skill slots.... this is the base for new skills
1 hit kill of WI in Bm2? hmmm....FA is master of buffs, FB master of debuffs, WI is Ultimate destroyer, their Bm2 kicks **** big time.
Sessalia
29-04-2009, 09:27
1 hit kill of WI in Bm2? hmmm....FA is master of buffs, FB master of debuffs, WI is Ultimate destroyer, their Bm2 kicks **** big time.
Unfortunately wizards canīt use bm2 non stop ;) and if youīre lying on the ground (knock down sucks :o ), youīre almost dead ...
a buff like mortal bane or bloody spirit would be funny ^^, because we dont have def so it doesnt matter....
I also would like to have a buff like mortal bane then getting killed one-hit by an impact stab from a noob or a nipperlug^^
Why do WI need def? i have 2.4k hp and get hitted for 1k+ dmg in PF, each hit <3. Also we have UBER def rate.
Feels good to be only an sp cow :)
1k ? thats really not allot ;D
WI should have low deff, but it should have very high dmg! Because as it says in the "Cabal Description" for each class, WI sacrificed a let of deff to gain massive magic! But for now we are overpowered in DMG and Deff by mFS, they overpower us even in crit ... and they use the same skills (lances/cannons).
So I want more dmg! :p
TheComedian
02-05-2009, 09:21
the only thing i want actually is a rename card....to change my name in ''SPcow''
wi and archer need that spirit intense party uff as a normal buff
g33kzilla
02-05-2009, 11:57
lol WI controls the force, if he wanted he could rip apart the ground, raise the dead, melt the ice in BI and then cast some lightning spell n the ground and the whole map would die, but nooooo... he has to be mr nice guy -.-
hansybansy
02-05-2009, 16:58
WI should have low deff, but it should have very high dmg! Because as it says in the "Cabal Description" for each class, WI sacrificed a let of deff to gain massive magic! But for now we are overpowered in DMG and Deff by mFS, they overpower us even in crit ... and they use the same skills (lances/cannons).
So I want more dmg! :p
well, if its really true that mfs have higher dps with lances and cannons, then we should 100% get more dmg or a buff that gives us alot more dmg / crit / rate whatever.
i saw a mfs video and i was shocked about his dps. he almost constantly critted and i thought, ok, his buff is AWESOME (the critrate buff) and he has probably uber gear.
but if mfs with "same gear" than wizard make more dps, i just wait til sp buff goes to blader and i throw my wizard into the trashcan.
D.A.N.T.E.
05-05-2009, 13:07
bump :D by the way....Any new news about wizard nerf? or new skills etc?
[THC]durex
05-05-2009, 14:39
the only thing i want actually is a rename card....to change my name in ''SPcow''
+1 :))...and new buff ftw :P
bump :D by the way....Any new news about wizard nerf? or new skills etc?
There exists only rumours and "the end of wizards" consipiracys.As Wizard is now,its very good overall char.Let the haters and whiners rot in their inability to play Wiz as it is supposed to.
There exists only rumours and "the end of wizards" consipiracys.As Wizard is now,its very good overall char.Let the haters and whiners rot in their inability to play Wiz as it is supposed to.
Quoted for truth.
Wiz is pro char.
kingpint
05-05-2009, 18:43
lol WI controls the force, if he wanted he could rip apart the ground, raise the dead, melt the ice in BI and then cast some lightning spell n the ground and the whole map would die, but nooooo... he has to be mr nice guy -.-
+100000 to the last sentence <3
"SP pls"
"No."
THATS our force!
+1 to kingpint !!!! look what would other guys do without wis :d 25 min to dance from 0 to 5 bars xddd
Psychotron
06-05-2009, 06:26
Since I only play all-out PVPs, the only thing I can wish for is a skill to counter FBs Execration(Immovable). My WI always gets raped by FBs. A blocking buff(similar to Instant Immunity but not exactly the same) that requires the FB to cast an Immovable debuff 2 or 3 times to take effect would cool. If that happens, I won't ask for more and just play happily ever after.
There exists only rumours and "the end of wizards" consipiracys.As Wizard is now,its very good overall char.Let the haters and whiners rot in their inability to play Wiz as it is supposed to.
Wiz is not very good char, this is only SPcow. The very good one is blader (and actually all the rest).
inability to play wiz? what's that "magic" trick?
the truth is that u can play all other (almost) chars naked while wiz must have high lev gear, otherwise...it cannot do anything.
for comparision i started BL, now i'm 125lev completer/gm, 3upgrades (HP/DEF/DEF RATE soo far), and now in lakdeside all i wear is Of Luck stuff (boots/hands blustin+4, martialsuite/helm osm +5),and i can survive - if i want...well i wear dmg stuff basically i loose less hp pots).
try to wear the luck stuff with WI at the same level/rank/upgrade.
if u have excellent gear...yeee u may say all the others are whiners and haters...
Cheers,
A.
enlightenedphoenix
06-05-2009, 12:41
I really love when i defeat 148 lvl blader with full hp in tg :D and i often do on 1 on 1 combat... and i have really crappy gear :D
Wiz is not very good char, this is only SPcow. The very good one is blader (and actually all the rest).
inability to play wiz? what's that "magic" trick?
the truth is that u can play all other (almost) chars naked while wiz must have high lev gear, otherwise...it cannot do anything.
for comparision i started BL, now i'm 125lev completer/gm, 3upgrades (HP/DEF/DEF RATE soo far), and now in lakdeside all i wear is Of Luck stuff (boots/hands blustin+4, martialsuite/helm osm +5),and i can survive - if i want...well i wear dmg stuff basically i loose less hp pots).
try to wear the luck stuff with WI at the same level/rank/upgrade.
if u have excellent gear...yeee u may say all the others are whiners and haters...
Cheers,
A.
I wont start to argue,cause your points are good to nothing.Having aramid or anything like that,you still has lower def and hp than wizard,thus you taking more dmg,you dont stun and thus you take hits,so your points lies to the bottom of the sea where fish are.
And remember,in mmos you aim for the best possible.
All is easier for blader on medium to high lvl's,but when it comes to end game lvl/gear/ Wiz is a class underestimated and can pawn pretty much all.
And i could point you to Bladers that turned to Wiz cause they saw that Wiz>>>BL.
don't fight..wi is strong XD hehe..that's why i changed to wi..LOL..level 137 vs 150+...ftw...(if they crit all shots, il die..LOL..but if 2 shots only...il win :) high dps..hehe) WOHOOOOOO...but yeah, we need individual sp buff :) LOL..
MarcOvic
06-05-2009, 15:36
don't fight..wi is strong XD hehe..that's why i changed to wi..LOL..level 137 vs 150+...ftw...(if they crit all shots, il die..LOL..but if 2 shots only...il win :) high dps..hehe) WOHOOOOOO...but yeah, we need individual sp buff :) LOL..
Hey lets count your (.) in your whole story!
Ontopic:
I love my wizard, ofcourse it got nerfed but still i own alot of people in pvp and pve isnt that bad at all.
g33kzilla
06-05-2009, 16:32
I like my wizard too, its just that i would like to have more money for a better gear :)
i dont do tg or pvp since they made it 6tg per day (not cuz of 6tg but cuz i sold my set :D:D), so no complains there :)
and for pve, i just have to start hitting and stuning mobs and all is good :)
oh, and ** @ death fog, fire traps in FT and meteors in VC
kingpint
06-05-2009, 19:42
I like my wizard too, its just that i would like to have more money for a better gear :)
i dont do [...] pvp [...]...
and for pve, i just have to start hitting and stuning mobs and all is good :)
oh, and ** @ death fog, fire traps in FT and meteors in VCī
Well said. :)
I wont start to argue,cause your points are good to nothing.Having aramid or anything like that,you still has lower def and hp than wizard,thus you taking more dmg,you dont stun and thus you take hits,so your points lies to the bottom of the sea where fish are.
And remember,in mmos you aim for the best possible.
All is easier for blader on medium to high lvl's,but when it comes to end game lvl/gear/ Wiz is a class underestimated and can pawn pretty much all.
And i could point you to Bladers that turned to Wiz cause they saw that Wiz>>>BL.
Well, not true:
with buffs i got:
625 def (with only dmg absorb)
3000 def rate (with ONLY six sense)
gear: blustin martial +4,osm helm of luck +0,osm martial suite+4...so don't tell u could play with such gear in e.g lakeside (even with well advertised so called stun)
with wi havng all +6 i got only 2k def rate and ~same def (but trans/trans).
stun ... i got one too, Vital interfer, ofc not that good as wi one, but who cares, with high dmg (high enough) + high defrate + partial stun...there is more than enough to play in even crappy (Of Luck) gear. i don't have to spend fortune oon gear which may (or not) help and make sure i stand on right place in right time on right spot.
the only place where WI is excellent is... TG. yes this i must admit, due to range skills, i always deal more dmg and can dmg on who i want. in case of troubles...i can fast escape...usually...:)
pve/pvp is disaster, unless u have descent gear, in this case u may TRY.
oh, and ** @ death fog, fire traps in FT and meteors in VC
Stun it ;-). Wizard has excellent stun, they say.
;-)
Cheers,
A.
g33kzilla
06-05-2009, 20:01
Stun it ;-). Wizard has excellent stun, they say.
;-)
Cheers,
A.
yea, stun is great when it works :D
its 99.99%, sometimes in bigspot, that 0.01% happens, when all brannys around me manage to hit :D
cant stunn fog, or atleast i didn notice the effect :D
those fire traps from ft come from walls and other indestructible stuff :)
and best ting i can do about meteors is to get hit by only one at a time :)
yea, stun is great when it works :D
its 99.99%, sometimes in bigspot, that 0.01% happens, when all brannys around me manage to hit :D
cant stunn fog, or atleast i didn notice the effect :D
those fire traps from ft come from walls and other indestructible stuff :)
and best ting i can do about meteors is to get hit by only one at a time :)
well, i was sarcastic ;-) - u cannot stun any of them (fog u may destroy i think).
anyway,have the same feeling, and getting furious when these "effects" hit me from all around, as there is no way to aviod them. with this stunning defrate and enourmous HP...2-3 hits usually were enough, now on higher lev it is a bit better.
Not sure if u notice how other classes handle them.....easly :S
Cheers,
A.
Hey lets count your (.) in your whole story!
Ontopic:
I love my wizard, ofcourse it got nerfed but still i own alot of people in pvp and pve isnt that bad at all.
......wahehehe XD.......so, how many dots did u manage to count?............................................ .................................................. ....................................XD
anyway, wi = strong....hehe
WI is strong, but for the class that should do the most dmg on magic, it doesn't ... Cuz we need to sacrifice a lot of magic to get rate/dmg!
Nameless Master
13-05-2009, 14:36
we need to complain at some place were game developers can hear
but still: WI NEED MAGIC BUFF +150 magic would be enough xD
AUDITOR69
13-05-2009, 15:42
we need to complain at some place were game developers can hear
but still: WI NEED MAGIC BUFF +150 magic would be enough xD
at least a modification for Sharpness that increase damage with magic too:biggrin:.
:ok:
So we're getting this buff or need to cry more ? XD or it isn't even working ? XDD just want an update on the situation
MoeRambo
17-05-2009, 05:13
we need to complain at some place were game developers can hear
but still: WI NEED MAGIC BUFF +150 magic would be enough xD
Btw with Lapis Orbs+7 you can easyly reach 1k magic... Thats enough isnt it?:wizard:
Btw with Lapis Orbs+7 you can easyly reach 1k magic... Thats enough isnt it?:wizard:
i had 1027 magic with lapis and aqua ^^
MoeRambo
17-05-2009, 10:35
GZ... not everyone can afford EoS+8 and not everyone is 170 ;)
GZ... not everyone can afford EoS+8 and not everyone is 170 ;)
true... i have 1026 magic with 2x mithril+6...
but my crit dmg sucks alot...
magic buff/staff as astral weapon giving amp ftw!! :D
COME ON!! wizards really need more buffs!!!
TheComedian
19-05-2009, 12:40
COME ON!! wizards really need more buffs!!!
oh really? you realized it so on time!! here's the winner :declare:
oh really? you realized it so on time!! here's the winner :declare:
haha, didnt realize that now, i just wanted to write it now ^^
D.A.N.T.E.
20-05-2009, 13:19
i think GMs don't read "class discussions" sections...
p.s. any nerf coming for wiz?
MoeRambo
20-05-2009, 13:25
COME ON!! wizards really need more buffs!!!
ehhhhhh I hate my archer for his buffs.. Takes soo fakin long
to be honest, they need to reduce the dmg of our bm2 again..because it's too powerful that it can destroy the balance in the whole game..and for bladers, they are really nerfed...they need to increase the dmg of crushing blow and reduce the cool time of it like make it 5 secs so that they can spam it; and they also need to have 30% crit rate buff so that the game would become fair for bladers...as for wi, they should reduce our hp and def because we are op, they should remove the magic amp buff because magic amp buff + bm2 + aura = hell...well said..no flames please
eem, WI need a attack that takes several hits, we just have attacks that take 1 hit. All chars exept WI have attacks that take several hits :S It should be cool... and some more buffs ^^
Noir1990
20-05-2009, 19:38
sarcasm
Wizzards sucks, we can solo Berderk, Penna, Rota and even Quadra. Wizzards got SP buff, thus do not need to dance over 20 minutes to refill 5 bars of SP.
Really, give us 1-Hit kill-button or invincible button...
/sarcasm
Wi rocks in PVE, against a single target bladers may be better, but in every game wizzard is not be meant being a tanker.
Only part Wizzards really suck in are PVPs, since we are more dps dependant, have low HP and low DEF.
Wizzards are fine as they are, oh wait, solo sp buff, it's hard to find someone to party with at night while hunting berderks ;).
nice XD you put the word sarcasm...if u didn't some people might think...erm...i dnt want to say it, coz they know who they are XD hehe..anyway...we need more nerfed because we are op...
okok, WI should at least be able to do SP buff and Resist intention in solo and not party...
I dont think wi are op :/
and ParusA nice lvl :D
g33kzilla
21-05-2009, 14:36
wi has only 2 useful longtime buffs, no buffs that would increase damage for more than 30secs, most combos are made from skills everyone can use, we are now the only class that doesn't have normal attack in bm2, we get nerfed almoast every update...
looks like someone is afraid of wi being awesome :D
D.A.N.T.E.
10-06-2009, 17:19
bump ^^ XD
bump 2 XD (10 chars)
bump ^^ XD
how can u have 35% rate and 135% dmg? lol
how can u have 35% rate and 135% dmg? lol
Dunno what he means but maybe 15+15 from rols and +5 base
Gh0stSentinel
10-06-2009, 22:02
the only thing i think wi needs is a def rate buff it wont have any real impact on pvp and it will make wi just a little more enjoyable.
If Wizards are weaker in PvP...what'll Def Rate do against Combo?
Even though the class is called "Wizard" they seem to have very little spell effect variation.Also,the SP regen buff is just the *best* in PvP.Why should this class not have something useful to itself?
imo every class (except wi) got some high att/rate buff fs/wa/bl/fa/fb wi got only 25amp and sp buff and well the def rate should be higher a bit bcz sometimes i have feeling that I'm naked and the def rate is bugged :o
the only thing i think wi needs is a def rate buff it wont have any real impact on pvp and it will make wi just a little more enjoyable.
that's my feeling too, PVP is maybe 1% of the game, while PVE is 90% so more def rate will let us have play feeling better. mobs hits us 1k...it is allright, if they do it every 5-7h hit, not every 2d(a spcially ranged ones).
Cheers,
A.
firedragon30
13-06-2009, 09:48
wiz just need more dps,
like FA's have they selfs spells we would have same, tired of use lances and canons that everbody can use we need thinks like shadow shot of FA's...
in buffs i think if we need somethink well not def rate for me..maybe thinks like fire/icy/lightning enhances in ur hands(orbs) like FB's do in they swords^^ +rate and +atak since we are 1 of few class dont get help in crits from buffs or whatever...(just aura -.-)
or another hp buff^^
i like dream on^^
hansybansy
13-06-2009, 12:03
wizard needs to get resist intention solo buff for sure, that will make us little bit stronger in pvp (1on1). another buff to stack at lv 140 would be good, too. i dont care if its def buff or def rate or magic buff to stack.
sarcasm
Wizzards sucks, we can solo Berderk, Penna, Rota and even Quadra. Wizzards got SP buff, thus do not need to dance over 20 minutes to refill 5 bars of SP.
Really, give us 1-Hit kill-button or invincible button...
/sarcasm
over lv 160, who can not solo berderk, penna, rota?
Wi rocks in PVE, against a single target bladers may be better, but in every game wizzard is not be meant being a tanker.
Only part Wizzards really suck in are PVPs, since we are more dps dependant, have low HP and low DEF.
Wizzards are fine as they are, oh wait, solo sp buff, it's hard to find someone to party with at night while hunting berderks ;).
why do you write wiZZards and not wizards? is that a way of mocking wizard or ?
why is bl better against single guys and not against many? bl has fleerate buff, thats the best for fighting against manny. wi cant take that much dmg, bl can.
btw, LOWEST hp and def, not low!
dedantemon
13-06-2009, 13:53
wizard needs to get resist intention solo buff for sure, that will make us little bit stronger in pvp (1on1). another buff to stack at lv 140 would be good, too. i dont care if its def buff or def rate or magic buff to stack.
over lv 160, who can not solo berderk, penna, rota?
why do you write wiZZards and not wizards? is that a way of mocking wizard or ?
why is bl better against single guys and not against many? bl has fleerate buff, thats the best for fighting against manny. wi cant take that much dmg, bl can.
btw, LOWEST hp and def, not low!
I know FA has lowest HP/def, at least def I know...
From base def without counting buffs and armor the diffrence is: 38 at lvl 170.
With 4 armor parts (battle vs martial) = 8 x 4 = 32
So the diffrence between a lvl 170 wi and fa, the wi will have 6 def more. (with the exact same int/dex/str distribution.)
LordCrone
13-06-2009, 14:33
If Wizards are weaker in PvP...what'll Def Rate do against Combo?
Even though the class is called "Wizard" they seem to have very little spell effect variation.Also,the SP regen buff is just the *best* in PvP.Why should this class not have something useful to itself?
+1 to that..i agree..wizards were one of the best classes..the most powerful..but now things have changed..we have 2 basic buffs till 140 where can cast also resist intension in compare the other classes that they can cast 5+buffs..what we need is more buffs for ourselfs..almost every buff we use except from hardness force increase and resist intension it is called as cheat from every single player..a good buff for a wiz would be a crit dmg/rate raise...or increase the magic..onother problem is the range..why dont we have 1-9range??or 1-2 faster skills from lances..we should be able to kill every one within range..before they can reach us.:D:D:D
we should be able to kill every one within range..before they can reach us.:D:D:D
Why don't you ask for a 1 hit kill everything button?
SickOptimus
13-06-2009, 16:56
i wish Elemental festival had the same damage as Crushing Blow i mean getting hit with EVERY elemental skill its supposed to hurt but that bm2 skill is a joke lol
firedragon30
13-06-2009, 17:27
wiz hp=FA hp
Wiz def > FA def
Wiz def < FA def if both in mith
Wiz def rate > FA def rate
wiz magic> FA magic
wiz atk rate < FA atk rate
wiz mp >FA mp(force increase if not is same)
this is the way wihtout buffs wiht buffs wiz get +def and FA +def rate/hit rate/magic....
but FA have faster skills...rly unfair in my point -.-
but FA have faster skills...rly unfair in my point -.-
Only outside of combo... Inside of combo they are the same.
dedantemon
13-06-2009, 18:52
wiz hp=FA hp
Wiz def > FA def
Wiz def < FA def if both in mith
Wiz def rate > FA def rate
wiz magic> FA magic
wiz atk rate < FA atk rate
wiz mp >FA mp(force increase if not is same)
this is the way wihtout buffs wiht buffs wiz get +def and FA +def rate/hit rate/magic....
but FA have faster skills...rly unfair in my point -.-
Without combo, FA has faster skills so they will work good with fade step ;)
firedragon30
13-06-2009, 18:55
Only outside of combo... Inside of combo they are the same.
i just know thye have all spells faster gm too -.-
and they have thinks like critical shot =O....shadow shot 0o...and rate from bow help ='(
i just know thye have all spells faster gm too -.-
and they have thinks like critical shot =O....shadow shot 0o...and rate from bow help ='(
You have blink and burning hand. Burning hand not for it's dmg, but so you can use Dash in combo. FA can't preform dash in combo once they can use terra lance.
firedragon30
13-06-2009, 20:02
You have blink and burning hand. Burning hand not for it's dmg, but so you can use Dash in combo. FA can't preform dash in combo once they can use terra lance.
lol burning hand is the best think we have right?
i oly dash in combo if my target try to run or is rly far away and my 7range skills dont get it,,,,just for that
well ye blink is awesome....but in pvp1vs1 it dont make u stronger as good buffs or cool spells
lol burning hand is the best think we have right?
i oly dash in combo if my target try to run or is rly far away and my 7range skills dont get it,,,,just for that
well ye blink is awesome....but in pvp1vs1 it dont make u stronger as good buffs or cool spells
Lol... Blink doesn't make you stronger? I rest my case, it is already obvious why you say that.
You have blink and burning hand. Burning hand not for it's dmg, but so you can use Dash in combo. FA can't preform dash in combo once they can use terra lance.
Isn't Energy Field better option for dashing in combo instead of wasting a skillbar slot for useless skill (plus it has range 2 instead of 3 so you may Blink even at mid-range)?
Isn't Energy Field better option for dashing in combo instead of wasting a skillbar slot for useless skill (plus it has range 2 instead of 3 so you may Blink even at mid-range)?
Sure you can, you can even use hydro disk for it. Wasn't sure of Energy field it's range, so picked burning hand wich i was sure of. You can also use hydro disk wich has range 1 too i believe.
Captainhero90
25-06-2009, 20:58
give wizard MAGIC BUFF ! YEAH
dragonlynx
25-06-2009, 21:17
hmmm its true ... wizards have the most useless buffs xD hmm oh wait we only need the sp buff right =D?
prikalist
25-06-2009, 21:24
selling SP puff for 500k pm !
and ofc +1 for a buff with 29 magic increase.
LuciferNL
26-06-2009, 12:21
Pff why compare wi to other classes, every class is unique
Why wi have low damage and lil buffs? Because they are ranged class.
Ranged attack+stun+blinkdash=0 hits
Why we have a hard time in pvp? Try freestyle pvp, and you'll win (except from fb)
Why archer does have buffs? Coz it needs more str and stuff for gear. Without that buffs they would be mfs without high defense and without crushing blade
Why other classes deal more damage? They also have to take more hits(pve)
But +1 for magic buff^^ screw sharpness
Pff why compare wi to other classes, every class is unique
Why wi have low damage and lil buffs? Because they are ranged class.
Ranged attack+stun+blinkdash=0 hits
Why we have a hard time in pvp? Try freestyle pvp, and you'll win (except from fb)
Why archer does have buffs? Coz it needs more str and stuff for gear. Without that buffs they would be mfs without high defense and without crushing blade
Why other classes deal more damage? They also have to take more hits(pve)
But +1 for magic buff^^ screw sharpness
Well...
>>Why other classes deal more damage? They also have to take more hits(pve)
Can't agree on that, more hits e.g. bl with 3,5k def rate?
maybe WA with more than 4k hp?
FA with high def rate and skills range 8 & nice crit?
>>Why wi have low damage and lil buffs? Because they are ranged class.
part of stun combno...AF -> range 1~2...is that range?
PinkFloydSLO
26-06-2009, 13:09
we are still way better in pve as near to all chars... only bl is better...
edit: the 29 magic buff wouldnt make wi that better anyway
the 29 magic buff wouldnt make wi that better anyway
29 magic with 36% m.amp in gear with Terra lance:
29 * 2.21 = 64.09 base dmg (in pve)
29 * 2.21/4 = 16 base dmg (in pvp)
Imo it is not so drasticly good, so imo giving wi that buff would not be a bad thing.
NightShade
26-06-2009, 14:56
To all you Wizard whiners ... better look at FA stats vs WI stats ...
taken from http://www.orazur.free.fr/
Naked lv 170 wizard with full skill ranks and all class ranks
67 STR
134 DEX
1063 INT (rofl, note that you have more str and dex than you need in reality, these stats are for mith orb +6, if you revert to requirements of phery orb +6 you get additional +10 magic!)
MAGIC 522
DEFENSE 224
ATT. RATE 805
DEF. RATE 688
Naked lv 170 FA with stats for +6 battle osmium
111 STR
223 DEX
930 INT
MAGIC 422
DEFENSE 196 (less defense than WI !? Yeah, Wizards are nerfed and FA's are OP!)
ATT. RATE 943
DEF. RATE 492 (less def rate than WI, right ... good idea ESTsoft!)
Naked lv 170 FA with stats for +6 osmium suit and +6 mithril orbs (martial FA)
67 STR
134 DEX
1063 INT
MAGIC 446
DEFENSE 189
ATT. RATE 823
DEF. RATE 419
Worst-case scenario WI (using mithril orbs) has 100 magic more than standard FA and 76 magic more than martial FA. Now, if you add that silly +29 magic buff for FA it's respectively 71 and 47 magic more.
So, WI has slightly less hp, noticeably higher magic, better defense and better defense rate. How in the earth WI is nerfed if FA is not? Your lv 20 COMP has it's use as finisher in duels (you don't even need it for pve unless for bm2 ownage), your GM has it's use in pvp due to fast cast time in combo and DOT. FA's GM is useless in duels and bugged in TG since it often misses, FA's completer is close to useless in pve and deals extraordinarily small damage to big mobs and has gay casting time.
All else, your typical pve/pvp combo is mix of cannons/lances and GM for stun or occasional COMP, it's exactly the same for FA, but notice that while you not only get more def from rank ups and already get uber def rate from martial set, even your INT attribute gives you more def rate ... rooooooofl! You outdamage FA in normal combo, in bm2 and with amp buff own high def mobs. FA without AOS deals crappy damage and it can't even move, what means being smashed by other players/mobs! Even then, it has worse defense and defense rate gain from levels. Seriously, if anyone here is nerfed, it's probably the FA and not the WI. Not to mention that you get 'stunned' while using heal skill and it can be a dead trip for you if you use it ...
Shadow Shot? Don't make me laugh, that skill is copy-paste of Fire Lance with 60 add dmg more, same casting time, same range and same amp! Not to mention FA's Master and A.Master skills are useless, while you get plentiful gayload of stun skills!
So, please tell me how your WI suxs, how much is it nerfed, how useless it is, how hard it is to level up with perma stunlock, how hard it is to search for bosses with blink, how hard it is to make everyone happy with sp buff since ALL OF THESE THINGS are in what Wizard excels at.
Go make a FA and come back here whining again. Seriously, give yourself a break and stop ridiculing a good, balanced class just because BL and WA are OP beyond imagination and can use retargeting bug to solo bosses.
ragnarokpt
26-06-2009, 16:36
Hate to say it, but hes absolutely right....
PinkFloydSLO
26-06-2009, 17:16
well but fa has more range wich can be usefull sometimes (chakris) ;P
but i agree wi is better as fa .. i have 145 fa and 126 wi... guess whos better ;d
NightShade
26-06-2009, 18:29
well but fa has more range wich can be usefull sometimes (chakris) ;P
but i agree wi is better as fa .. i have 145 fa and 126 wi... guess whos better ;d
Range is no biggie, the only real advantage of FA is 30% knock back buff ... spam of shadow shot + lances/cannons can render unstunnable bosses less of a threat, but even then it's not as sweet as it sounds.
firedragon30
26-06-2009, 18:57
To all you Wizard whiners ... better look at FA stats vs WI stats ...
taken from http://www.orazur.free.fr/
Naked lv 170 wizard with full skill ranks and all class ranks
67 STR
134 DEX
1063 INT (rofl, note that you have more str and dex than you need in reality, these stats are for mith orb +6, if you revert to requirements of phery orb +6 you get additional +10 magic!)
MAGIC 522
DEFENSE 224
ATT. RATE 805
DEF. RATE 688
Naked lv 170 FA with stats for +6 battle osmium
111 STR
223 DEX
930 INT
MAGIC 422
DEFENSE 196 (less defense than WI !? Yeah, Wizards are nerfed and FA's are OP!)
ATT. RATE 943
DEF. RATE 492 (less def rate than WI, right ... good idea ESTsoft!)
Naked lv 170 FA with stats for +6 osmium suit and +6 mithril orbs (martial FA)
67 STR
134 DEX
1063 INT
MAGIC 446
DEFENSE 189
ATT. RATE 823
DEF. RATE 419
Worst-case scenario WI (using mithril orbs) has 100 magic more than standard FA and 76 magic more than martial FA. Now, if you add that silly +29 magic buff for FA it's respectively 71 and 47 magic more.
So, WI has slightly less hp, noticeably higher magic, better defense and better defense rate. How in the earth WI is nerfed if FA is not? Your lv 20 COMP has it's use as finisher in duels (you don't even need it for pve unless for bm2 ownage), your GM has it's use in pvp due to fast cast time in combo and DOT. FA's GM is useless in duels and bugged in TG since it often misses, FA's completer is close to useless in pve and deals extraordinarily small damage to big mobs and has gay casting time.
All else, your typical pve/pvp combo is mix of cannons/lances and GM for stun or occasional COMP, it's exactly the same for FA, but notice that while you not only get more def from rank ups and already get uber def rate from martial set, even your INT attribute gives you more def rate ... rooooooofl! You outdamage FA in normal combo, in bm2 and with amp buff own high def mobs. FA without AOS deals crappy damage and it can't even move, what means being smashed by other players/mobs! Even then, it has worse defense and defense rate gain from levels. Seriously, if anyone here is nerfed, it's probably the FA and not the WI. Not to mention that you get 'stunned' while using heal skill and it can be a dead trip for you if you use it ...
Shadow Shot? Don't make me laugh, that skill is copy-paste of Fire Lance with 60 add dmg more, same casting time, same range and same amp! Not to mention FA's Master and A.Master skills are useless, while you get plentiful gayload of stun skills!
So, please tell me how your WI suxs, how much is it nerfed, how useless it is, how hard it is to level up with perma stunlock, how hard it is to search for bosses with blink, how hard it is to make everyone happy with sp buff since ALL OF THESE THINGS are in what Wizard excels at.
Go make a FA and come back here whining again. Seriously, give yourself a break and stop ridiculing a good, balanced class just because BL and WA are OP beyond imagination and can use retargeting bug to solo bosses.
in some points u are right...but do the calcules wiht self buffs....FA got +11rate for losing the magic waht isnt that bad...and FA is a range/healing class and that classes in all MMO dont need hight dps.....in my way FA need +range and +def like a 30def buff like wiz...
wiz need a hight magic buff like +40 magic or somethink like that becuz in all games i play wiz is a class of dmg and in this game we arent the best from fair away dpser, for sure
i still think wiz need a +magic buff is ****** Wa have + atk than wiz magic even wiht slow skills if wiz is build to be the real dpser of the game....:girl_werewolf:
lDestruction
26-06-2009, 19:00
GIVE US BUFFS!!!spaaaaaam!!(good for post count :D ) GIVE US BUFFS! GIVE US BUFFS!!1ONE
yeah , give buff !!! !!!!!!!!!!
RandomNAuser
26-06-2009, 21:43
To all you Wizard whiners ... better look at FA stats vs WI stats ...
taken from http://www.orazur.free.fr/
Naked lv 170 wizard with full skill ranks and all class ranks
67 STR
134 DEX
1063 INT (rofl, note that you have more str and dex than you need in reality, these stats are for mith orb +6, if you revert to requirements of phery orb +6 you get additional +10 magic!)
MAGIC 522
DEFENSE 224
ATT. RATE 805
DEF. RATE 688
Naked lv 170 FA with stats for +6 battle osmium
111 STR
223 DEX
930 INT
MAGIC 422
DEFENSE 196 (less defense than WI !? Yeah, Wizards are nerfed and FA's are OP!)
ATT. RATE 943
DEF. RATE 492 (less def rate than WI, right ... good idea ESTsoft!)
Naked lv 170 FA with stats for +6 osmium suit and +6 mithril orbs (martial FA)
67 STR
134 DEX
1063 INT
MAGIC 446
DEFENSE 189
ATT. RATE 823
DEF. RATE 419
Worst-case scenario WI (using mithril orbs) has 100 magic more than standard FA and 76 magic more than martial FA. Now, if you add that silly +29 magic buff for FA it's respectively 71 and 47 magic more.
So, WI has slightly less hp, noticeably higher magic, better defense and better defense rate. How in the earth WI is nerfed if FA is not? Your lv 20 COMP has it's use as finisher in duels (you don't even need it for pve unless for bm2 ownage), your GM has it's use in pvp due to fast cast time in combo and DOT. FA's GM is useless in duels and bugged in TG since it often misses, FA's completer is close to useless in pve and deals extraordinarily small damage to big mobs and has gay casting time.
All else, your typical pve/pvp combo is mix of cannons/lances and GM for stun or occasional COMP, it's exactly the same for FA, but notice that while you not only get more def from rank ups and already get uber def rate from martial set, even your INT attribute gives you more def rate ... rooooooofl! You outdamage FA in normal combo, in bm2 and with amp buff own high def mobs. FA without AOS deals crappy damage and it can't even move, what means being smashed by other players/mobs! Even then, it has worse defense and defense rate gain from levels. Seriously, if anyone here is nerfed, it's probably the FA and not the WI. Not to mention that you get 'stunned' while using heal skill and it can be a dead trip for you if you use it ...
Shadow Shot? Don't make me laugh, that skill is copy-paste of Fire Lance with 60 add dmg more, same casting time, same range and same amp! Not to mention FA's Master and A.Master skills are useless, while you get plentiful gayload of stun skills!
So, please tell me how your WI suxs, how much is it nerfed, how useless it is, how hard it is to level up with perma stunlock, how hard it is to search for bosses with blink, how hard it is to make everyone happy with sp buff since ALL OF THESE THINGS are in what Wizard excels at.
Go make a FA and come back here whining again. Seriously, give yourself a break and stop ridiculing a good, balanced class just because BL and WA are OP beyond imagination and can use retargeting bug to solo bosses.
i havent really read wat u posted but only a few things to tell u. 1. crit shot 2. shadow shot 3. most importantly summon bow 11% rate mean anything to u?
NightShade
26-06-2009, 21:47
i havent really read wat u posted but only a few things to tell u. 1. crit shot 2. shadow shot 3. most importantly summon bow 11% rate mean anything to u?
Crit shot is good skill. Shadow shot is basically a fire lance with +60 add attack more, nothing else - same cast, same cooltime, same amp, nothing special. As for bow it's 11% only with a good bow and it conflicts a bit if you are crit-oriented. FA, unlike Wiz is sort-of forced to use mith amped orbs at some point. Weak base dmg of bm2 but fast and low amp of crit shot. Added magic from bow is nothing special.
Next time read it all and then comment. Quoting entire post without reading it first is rude at best.
firedragon30
26-06-2009, 21:59
Crit shot is good skill. Shadow shot is basically a fire lance with +60 add attack more, nothing else - same cast, same cooltime, same amp, nothing special. As for bow it's 11% only with a good bow and it conflicts a bit if you are crit-oriented. FA, unlike Wiz is sort-of forced to use mith amped orbs at some point. Weak base dmg of bm2 but fast and low amp of crit shot. Added magic from bow is nothing special.
Next time read it all and then comment. Quoting entire post without reading it first is rude at best.
another usefull think for FA is aos what is much better than amp buff...
PinkFloydSLO
26-06-2009, 23:08
in some points u are right...but do the calcules wiht self buffs....FA got +11rate for losing the magic waht isnt that bad...and FA is a range/healing class and that classes in all MMO dont need hight dps.....in my way FA need +range and +def like a 30def buff like wiz...
wiz need a hight magic buff like +40 magic or somethink like that becuz in all games i play wiz is a class of dmg and in this game we arent the best from fair away dpser, for sure
i still think wiz need a +magic buff is ****** Wa have + atk than wiz magic even wiht slow skills if wiz is build to be the real dpser of the game....:girl_werewolf:
so true.. i played many mmorpg and in ALL games was wizzard wich had the most dmg output and aoe ;d
but well.. welcome to cabal where all sword chars have good aoe and do more dmg than wi...
firedragon30
27-06-2009, 18:02
Crit shot is good skill. Shadow shot is basically a fire lance with +60 add attack more, nothing else - same cast, same cooltime, same amp, nothing special. As for bow it's 11% only with a good bow and it conflicts a bit if you are crit-oriented. FA, unlike Wiz is sort-of forced to use mith amped orbs at some point. Weak base dmg of bm2 but fast and low amp of crit shot. Added magic from bow is nothing special.
Next time read it all and then comment. Quoting entire post without reading it first is rude at best.
and another think crit shot is awesome...
shadow shot is awesome as well becuz it is not like fire lance!!!!it is like terra lance but wiht +1range and 90add atk!!!!!
the best dps skill of wiz is tl
and FA have 2 notice better skills as crit shot and shadow shot....
+11% rate
+heal
better low duraction buff
agains sp , blink, good regen
... anyway WA/BL won everythink it suxs
NightShade
28-06-2009, 12:27
and another think crit shot is awesome...
shadow shot is awesome as well becuz it is not like fire lance!!!!it is like terra lance but wiht +1range and 90add atk!!!!!
the best dps skill of wiz is tl
and FA have 2 notice better skills as crit shot and shadow shot....
+11% rate
+heal
better low duraction buff
agains sp , blink, good regen
... anyway WA/BL won everythink it suxs
Tbh, as a FA I would gladly exchange your amp buff, your regen buff, your force increase and your defense increase for my aos, for my regen buff (long duration but suxs) and for my +29 magic buff.
That way FA would stay true to the lore being a 'battle' version of Wizard ... it would have more hp and defense than now and it would have a way to boost it's rather 'flat' damage on high defense bosses with amp buff, but overall it would have smaller dps due to lack of crit.
Wizard would get his +29 magic buff and very powerful crits for sake of not being able to move (knockback from lances/cannons, stun from gm/comp ... live with it), but would have less defense and hp.
Would you be happier that way? (I still consider removing 'unable to move' from aos).
viktorash
28-06-2009, 21:55
We Definatly need a 29 + magic Buff at least a Astral Weapon
laphroaig
29-06-2009, 17:12
@Nightshade:
I agree that WI are very strong characters and it's indeed relativly easy to level with stun combo and everything. But FA's aren't bad either, with battle they have slightly more hp/def than WI, they have a better range, more crit rate, aos, magic buffs.
Yes it's harder to play good with a FA than with a WI, but FA's certainly aren't weak either :)
viktorash
29-06-2009, 18:49
Yes. I Agree but The WA Has the Highest DMG with That Freaking attack buff.So... Why he's Magic Oposite hasn't got a + magic Buff..?!?!
The Astral Weapon Ideea It's not Bad either.But i hate activating it any time i'm dead. :|
Bannedalata
30-06-2009, 09:19
Yes. I Agree but The WA Has the Highest DMG with That Freaking attack buff.So... Why he's Magic Oposite hasn't got a + magic Buff..?!?!
The Astral Weapon Ideea It's not Bad either.But i hate activating it any time i'm dead. :|
Hm..maybe because you already have the same magic as the WA does with attack.
I suggest that all wizards get bugged and nerfed like Archers so that we can let them see what it's like. They'll truly **** themselves, and I'll enjoy it.
PinkFloydSLO
30-06-2009, 09:57
astral weapon with 10%rate like fa... we dont need any other buffs etc
Yes. I Agree but The WA Has the Highest DMG with That Freaking attack buff.So... Why he's Magic Oposite hasn't got a + magic Buff..?!?!
The Astral Weapon Ideea It's not Bad either.But i hate activating it any time i'm dead. :|
wiz = best dmg output ;) if you wont believe, you dont have to :P
if you know how to play, equip and fullfill the strenght of your wi, ;)
Maffy013
30-06-2009, 10:02
astral weapon with 10%rate like fa... we dont need any other buffs etc
would be nice, but imo WI isnt underpowered
lagevogel
30-06-2009, 10:03
wiz = best dmg output ;) if you wont believe, you dont have to :p
if you know how to play, equip and fullfill the strenght of your wi, ;)
+ 1
PinkFloydSLO
30-06-2009, 10:14
wiz = best dmg output ;) if you wont believe, you dont have to :P
if you know how to play, equip and fullfill the strenght of your wi, ;)
we dont have the best dmg output... but its not a bad one (:
BlackDesert666
30-06-2009, 22:53
+ 1
Spam :D (Spam)
that's my feeling too, PVP is maybe 1% of the game, while PVE is 90% so more def rate will let us have play feeling better. mobs hits us 1k...it is allright, if they do it every 5-7h hit, not every 2d(a spcially ranged ones).
Cheers,
A.
:offtopic: where is the other 9%? ;o
lagevogel
02-07-2009, 14:50
Spam :D (Spam)
wasnt spam, ray = 100% right and the rest who dont see that = nooooooooob
Creationeer
02-07-2009, 18:35
Don't whine about defense. Buy +6 mithril shoes, gloves and suit.. with eog+7 I have 870 def, thats not low for a WI. Even in my damage set +7osm/stit i have around 780.
All I see is wizards dieing between ecto's and entrita's and especially at orca in CA. And then whine WI have to low def -.- No wonder if you wear extended titanium and osmium martial+6. Just use 2 sets for switch if you can't pay a damn amped mithril set like 99% of us.. Think, thiiink....
Although I agree on Astral staff/wand or w/e. For extra crit rate, to replace CR helm ^^
About the magic with lapis. What you want? with +6 lapis and eos+7 i still have 950+ magic, not bad hm? Lapis in bm2 is insane, mithril amped is nice for combo to get exp maybe. Choose, or combine, easy as that.
D.A.N.T.E.
02-07-2009, 22:58
dont you think even if you get +6 mith and eog+7 is a waste of amp,and damage?
extreme dual canon and space colapse are skills that are pure bulllshit...i have better dps with lances than with extreme dual canon or space colapse.... maybe wizard should get MULTI hit skill like other classess...it would increase our dmg....and pls dont tell me wizards skills are stronger than WA, they outdamage wi with whirlwind... i take off 1/16 hp of armap while my friend wa (whit who i lvl all the time and we got quite simmilar sets,maybe i got a lil bit more amp) takes of 1/8 of armaps hp...i mean come on arent we dmg dealers? we should do much more bigger dmg with g.master skill than Wa with their whirlwind one...
P.S. sorry post is hard to read but im tired >.>
fails:| check CA ....who gets moast of the cores? or who getts agro on bosses? only well eq. wi`s...so gl on that
molchilein
02-07-2009, 23:58
wizards the best dmg-output? i'm sure it isn't. make a blader, and an wizard on same lvl naked and look who does more dmg, for sure it isn't the wizard as it should be ;)
The only thing on wizard that is ok is the hp and defense. Give us what a wizard should have: other partymembers which take the aggro away from us, a bit more range, it's crazy to see melees like shielder more far away from the mob than the wizard as ranged char (we have ranged 1-2; 1-3; 1-4) not rly ranged and give us a bit more power to outdmg all other chars like it is normal in mmorpg's and all will be happy
:offtopic: where is the other 9%? ;o
well, TG, ch24, or just waste of time like talking to people, crafting and other .
wizards the best dmg-output? i'm sure it isn't. make a blader, and an wizard on same lvl naked and look who does more dmg, for sure it isn't the wizard as it should be ;)
The only thing on wizard that is ok is the hp and defense. Give us what a wizard should have: other partymembers which take the aggro away from us, a bit more range, it's crazy to see melees like shielder more far away from the mob than the wizard as ranged char (we have ranged 1-2; 1-3; 1-4) not rly ranged and give us a bit more power to outdmg all other chars like it is normal in mmorpg's and all will be happy
Dude, wizards makes the most damage when they're naked compared to a naked blader, because a blader can't use his skills without swords equipped :) a wizard can still cast all magic skills ;)
molchilein
05-07-2009, 23:25
ok, then take both the lowest weapon u can buy in BI and then try it o.O
D.A.N.T.E.
06-07-2009, 08:37
Dude, wizards makes the most damage when they're naked compared to a naked blader, because a blader can't use his skills without swords equipped :) a wizard can still cast all magic skills ;)
i rolf'd on this one Kya xDDD , but yeah there is some truth in your post xE
Dude, wizards makes the most damage when they're naked compared to a naked blader, because a blader can't use his skills without swords equipped :) a wizard can still cast all magic skills ;)
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Ya but its true, altough the dmg output difference isnt that much ..
viktorash
06-07-2009, 23:38
I Tell you We are Just Sp Cow's. We should be Dmg. Dealers not just Support char.Give Us some damn magic.Give us a personal + 49 magic buff like WA/BL/FS have
Wiz would need something "smarter" than just flick your wrist extra 49 Magic Attack.Maybe a new type of buff,which may be beyond what the game creators could do...being too hard.
Edit : Or maybe slightly different crit system.
give uss add dmg buff as BL have ^.^ would be nice as hell ^.^
Naghquin
07-07-2009, 08:43
keep dreaming but i like the idea they wont give us >.>
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