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nex

13-09-2009, 08:26

basically, put the goddamn higher cooltime on fb debuffs bcz its EXTREMELY annoying to be unmoved 24/7, thx

Herflik

13-09-2009, 08:32

basically, put the goddamn higher cooltime on fb debuffs bcz its EXTREMELY annoying to be unmoved 24/7, thx

Some of FB debuffs are given to FB at cost of longtime buffs that other classes gained in EP2. Thats why we can cast them wery often. Also FB is a PVP class ,so dont whine to much specialy that unmovable is already uber nerfed in TG.

nex

13-09-2009, 08:32

Some of FB debuffs are given to FB at cost of longtime buffs that other classes gained in EP2. Thats why we can cast them wery often. Also FB is a PVP class ,so dont whine to much specialy that unmovable is already uber nerfed in TG.

unmovable unmoved on tg ? ye sure

adnianeraregiN

13-09-2009, 08:35

It's not THAT annoying...

kirmaster

13-09-2009, 08:50

use insta immune? it nicely cancels it.
if you dont have insta, then you should've done something since they were in range.

nex

13-09-2009, 08:53

use insta immune? it nicely cancels it.
if you dont have insta, then you should've done something since they were in range.

ye, gib insta to wizard and i'll use it >_> and thing is that freaking fb has 2 unmove debuffs with rly low cooltime so atleast make that CT on tg higher -_-

Kemy

13-09-2009, 08:57

basically, put the goddamn higher cooltime on fb debuffs bcz its EXTREMELY annoying to be unmoved 24/7, thx

+1

fb .!.

Herflik

13-09-2009, 09:12

ye, gib insta to wizard and i'll use it >_> and thing is that freaking fb has 2 unmove debuffs with rly low cooltime so atleast make that CT on tg higher -_-

Only one unmovable got low cooltime. Get some knowledge about game before writing BS.

nex

13-09-2009, 09:15

Only one unmovable got low cooltime. Get some knowledge about game before writing BS.

go tg b4 writing BS, and i bet i know more than u but thats not point. HFB nub

Qsuperman2

13-09-2009, 09:15

+1

As much as I like playing FB and debuff, I HATE it when people execrate me.
Youknow. You finally got everything... Legacy, Buff pot amp/atk, BM1, Aura, Flee Rate buff, Add dmge buff... And then you jump in that group. You do 2 mayor crits...

And then some gaylord FB comes execrate you, wait for you to die while he moves on...
It's just not fair.

So pleaaaase cabal: NO EXECRATION OR FIELD OF EXECRATION IN TG!!!

Blase87

13-09-2009, 09:15

+1, most annoying thing ever

being debuffed with that ****** **** in every single minute in TG, just because they are afraid of me :D

Phearr

13-09-2009, 09:18

Disabling execration is like disabling shadowshield, AoD or Intuition :P

besides, become guardian..60% problem solved :P
<atleast in 150-170 war :P>

Knapp

13-09-2009, 09:18

go tg b4 writing BS, and i bet i know more than u but thats not point. HFB nub
qft.
overall +1 to this issue, perma unmove sux hard

Herflik

13-09-2009, 09:18

go tg b4 writing BS, and i bet i know more than u but thats not point. HFB nub

If you are so pro why you dont get guardian title with give hell lot of immoblize ressistance. Nub kid learn to play ,you are distance class and still got problem with immoblize. Thats lack of knowdlege in playing own class.

And one more thing , TG is mass pvp with means teamplay. Use ur teammates to help you not jumping solo everywhere and then whining like a noob.
FB is most teamplay character ,weakning oponents so his team can finish them easly.

If you dont like FB's play some class that can counter them ,or learn to do it with ur class. I am sorry that this game dont support ur lack of brain that u miss on battlefield.

This suggestion wouldnt be never applied anyway ,even if it had 1000 x +1 in it. Simply because its how the game works ,every class is supposed to teamplay on TG ,not solo. Everyone got his job to do. Its not like ur team dont have FB's that annoye other people in opposite nation.

Knapp

13-09-2009, 09:19

If you are so pro why you dont get guardian title with give hell lot of immoblize ressistance.
Hes bringer.
And u failed.

Herflik

13-09-2009, 09:22

Hes bringer.
And u failed.

Failed in what??
Guardian > bringer in TG.

nex

13-09-2009, 09:23

Wrest

13-09-2009, 09:27

Lose Bringer and gain Guardian...j/k.
-1, Definitely -1 to that suggestion, most people get Guardian easy, and warriors / bladers have Instant Immunity.
Btw, Guardian > Bringer, cause is more tactical and gaurantess you more survivability and versatility , but bringer gives a big ego boost to 21 or lower age kiddies.
Guardians have more endeavor on high lvl TG anyway.
And already MF dosent work with mp runes. Whats next, nerf execrataion too ?

Herflik

13-09-2009, 09:29

why would i get guardian if i can be bringer every week ? brain plz. and who says i jump solo everywhere ? bringer/guardian makes my name visible to opposite nation which makes me 24/7 unmove target >_>

edit : "you are distance class and still got problem with immoblize. Thats lack of knowdlege in playing own class." just lol'd on this, ITS TG NUBLET which means there are basically no close/long range classes ffs.. instead of being smartass on forums go and PLAY game sometimes.

If you solo the range class dont exist ,cuz everyone concetrate on you. If you jump in group even if they immoblize you ,you can still keep ur dps. Because everyone is close to each other.
You fail ,because i think everyone know that long range classes (specialy FA) got nice adventage in TG. They can stay at back and spam spells in group whre bounch of brainless WA/BL fight lol.

You know why you are bringer??
Because everyone else who have brain resign from bringer to be guardian.

nex

13-09-2009, 09:30

Wrest

13-09-2009, 09:30

Hey, take your personals to a pm, this is suggestion subforum, you have express your opinion, now ****.

Herflik

13-09-2009, 09:35

someone has to be bringer, rite ?

@post b4 me, ure really funny, gzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

If you wanna make a suggestion ,give some good arguments on your position. Because you LACK even a simple one.

And yeah someone need to be FREE FRAG ....i mean bringer...

nex

13-09-2009, 09:38

If you wanna make a suggestion ,give some good arguments on your position. Because you LACK even a simple one.

And yeah someone need to be FREE FRAG ....i mean bringer...

ure just a forum troll who thinks hes smartest person etc. everyone normal will agree with thing i wrote in first post but u just have to post against everyone, heck why ppl think ure re****, also instead of just posting ure THEORIES go try it ingame sometimes and if u think im free frag, feel free to attack me 1v1 on tg, gl

edit : and no im not telling aod/ss should be disabled etc. just pointing out that unmove debuff should have higher ct cz its ridiculous atm, every fb after respawn has debuff rdy which isnt fair if nothing.

Wrest

13-09-2009, 09:39

I cant see why another Debuff from FB shall be nerfed. We already lost the luxury of Mana Freezing people with the introduction of mp runes and almost all high lvl's(The ones with brains) use mp craft on their mithril set, so not even Mass Enervation + Mana Freeze works. Is really pointless and frustrating nerfing one more Debuff from Force Blader.

... everyone normal will agree with thing i wrote in first post....
I dont.

And Herflik, please stop posting you are a hybrid (Fail) Fb after all.

edit : and no im not telling aod/ss should be disabled etc. just pointing out that unmove debuff should have higher ct cz its ridiculous atm, every fb after respawn has debuff rdy which isnt fair if nothing.
Higher cooldown, means "global" adjustments to all skills and Im talking about Instant Immunity's cooltime too etc

nex

13-09-2009, 09:43

I cant see why another Debuff from FB shall be nerfed. We already lost the luxury of Mana Freezing people with the introduction of mp runes and almost all high lvl's(The ones with brains) use mp craft on their mithril set, so not even Mass Enervation + Mana Freeze works. Is really pointless and frustrating nerfing one more Debuff from Force Blader.

I dont.

ok i forgot to say, every non fb i guess >_> and i dont mind being unmoved 1v1 cz fb is rly easy kill or in most of cases fb unmoves u and runs away 0o but its pretty annoying when ure always unmoved in big group of enemy nation.

Wrest

13-09-2009, 09:47

Well you obviously have low lvl/gear fb's in your servers. Most FB's fail to use proper their classes in TG.FB main purpose in tg is protection of builders, points, resurrections, etc.

xXxDTxXx

13-09-2009, 09:47

Lol, make execration cooltime higher? Rofl, we are already nerfed and you come and ask ppl to nerf us more... Btw our 1st Execration has a cooltime of 40 secs and the 2nd one has a cooltime of 6 minutes, I don't get what u're whining about. Every class has his own style... I mean:
- Wizard can increase their amp/recover SP and hp/blink
- Warrior can have IMBA hp/hp recovery/attack
- Blader can have 100% resistance vs unmovable+amp buff/add gm buff
- FA has his long range/heal abilty/increase AMP/..
- Force Shielder has a BIG defense (without AoD) + AoD/SS.
- Force Blader's only specialty is DEBUFFS

So what will we have left after u take our ONLY useful thing?

Maybe you should start a FB, maybe then you'll see how weak we are without our debuffs...

nex

13-09-2009, 09:49

Well you obviously have low lvl/gear fb's in your servers. Most FB's fail to use proper their classes in TG.FB main purpose in tg is protection of builders, points, resurrections, etc.

well we have herflik on our server, says all ? :> and init, i never see fb protecting builders and stuff like that, can mostly see them running around unmoving ppl they dont like or so ^^

@guy above, i alrdy have fb 14x and i dont find it weak, also im not saying all ure debuffs should be canceled or so >_> tell me how sp buff ruins tg gameplay ? read again what i wrote in first post, instead of 40 secs that debuff should be 3 mins atleast

edit : ofc there are good fbs on our server but most of them are annoying flies like hfb guy

Wrest

13-09-2009, 09:49

Maybe you should start a FB, maybe then you'll see how weak we are without our debuffs...

Weak ? I dont think so I have an fb lvl 170 and I can easy say I dont have trouble of survivability in tg,even in 1vs1 with every class to be honest.

well we have herflik on our server, says all ? :>
Oh that explains it all, I can see why then you say fb is weak in 1vs1.

xXxDTxXx

13-09-2009, 09:52

Weak ? I dont think so I have an fb lvl 170 and I can easy say I dont have trouble of survivability in tg,even in 1vs1 with every class to be honest.

Really? So you can kill alot of ppl at ease without ur debuffs on TG vs classes who can use their shorttime buffs? GL

Wrest

13-09-2009, 09:55

Well heading on crowed pact of capella/procyon thats surely suicide. But I can assure my combo bar says 4 kills(an example dont take the number literally) before they can bring me down, and anyway thats not the point.
The point is:
1) -1 in nerfing the cool time of exe/mass exe
2)90% of FB's fail at tg for one single reason, they dont know how to use thier FB. FB is mostly a protector not a "pusher".

xXxDTxXx

13-09-2009, 09:56

Wrest

13-09-2009, 09:57

Have you read any of my post ? I doubt as your sarcasm fail to amuse me.

xXxDTxXx

13-09-2009, 10:00

Have you read any of my post ? I doubt as your sarcasm fail to amuse me.

1. Ye, I did, but from ur other replies it seemed like if u mentioned a +1.
2. No comment

Wrest

13-09-2009, 10:01

Please point me a reply where I said +1.
Or where my state against nerfing exe or mass exe wasnt clear.

xXxDTxXx

13-09-2009, 10:03

Dunno, you agree and disagree with nex at the same time.
*confused*

Wrest

13-09-2009, 10:04

We agree that Herlfin(spelling ?) or shall I adressed him as troll is a FAIL. F A I L.
And we disagree at nerfing the execration and mass execration.
Confused again ?

Wrest

13-09-2009, 10:05

..., u should first go on 150+ tg anyway
Harsh to say that but... +1

xXxDTxXx

13-09-2009, 10:05

We agree that Herlfin(spelling ?) or shall I adressed him as troll is a FAIL. F A I L.
And we disagree at nerfing the execration and mass execration.
Confused again ?

hmm...

no.

sebanina

13-09-2009, 10:29

Smells like a butthurt wizard in here ;x

kirmaster

13-09-2009, 10:41

Smells like a butthurt wizard in here ;x

tbh i must agree, wizard has plenty of range in which to kill a fb which roots him. or get guard, also works ye. no matter if her is hfb or not, wiz has better range as fb and can still down everything in its range, as opposed to wa/bl. thats why wa/bl have insta.

nex

13-09-2009, 10:45

tbh i must agree, wizard has plenty of range in which to kill a fb which roots him. or get guard, also works ye. no matter if her is hfb or not, wiz has better range as fb and can still down everything in its range, as opposed to wa/bl. thats why wa/bl have insta.

Range is not problem omg, thing is u get unmoved way too often so u cant even runaway or so.. basically problem is in visible names to other nation, i'd never be unmoved if my name wasnt visible but like this i am unmoved 24/7 bcz of too low ct >_>

edit : i alrdy wrote 1v1 unmove ISNT problem so read my posts b4 u reply -.-

razielsnv

13-09-2009, 12:01

Well, its true
Sometimes you get unmoved Non-Stop
and if you're a Wiz, You're Fcked
Wiz needs his Blink To evade Trouble and stay back, if a Wiz gets to close to the Big Fight
he's raped...
my personal survival rate of Execration is : 12%
the other 88% i just Die, not by the FB but by the others surrounding him ...

adnianeraregiN

13-09-2009, 13:14

I'd prefer nerf of Enervation over Root any day.

Herflik

13-09-2009, 14:36

well we have herflik on our server, says all ? :> and init, i never see fb protecting builders and stuff like that, can mostly see them running around unmoving ppl they dont like or so ^^

@guy above, i alrdy have fb 14x and i dont find it weak, also im not saying all ure debuffs should be canceled or so >_> tell me how sp buff ruins tg gameplay ? read again what i wrote in first post, instead of 40 secs that debuff should be 3 mins atleast

edit : ofc there are good fbs on our server but most of them are annoying flies like hfb guy

Yeah my HFB is fail ,thats why i can take 170 WI in full mithril amp +7 with 100% chance to win. The same i do with FB's ,that even manafreeze me ,and i still laught at them.

Sorry but my build already overcomed every other build in this game for FB. People in guild like to take me everywhere ,because i am good at offensive ,defensive also mixed offensive with defensive. The last is most lacked by comon build of FB.

All i lack is good gear, though i dont need it to clean floor with ur face fail bringer.

@ontopic

Like i said before your suggestion wont be even taked siriously by estsoft. You totally lack of arguments on your side ,you act just like kid whos only argument is " because i want so". ESTsoft is company that need reasons to do something ,if you dont give them any they wont do anything.

Also you might gian some pluses from guys here, though as i noticed long time ago this communit is mostly brainless like you. The same they votes are basicaly useless. You need votes from administration mostly ,though without real argument on your suggestion you wont gain even 1 vote.

edit : i alrdy wrote 1v1 unmove ISNT problem so read my posts b4 u reply -.-

Also like i wrote before.
TG is ABOUT TEAMPLAY. So learn to teamplay fail bringer. FB's are support char and like we see from ur whine thread ,they are pretty good vs you.

nex

13-09-2009, 14:39

ye im fail and ure pro, bye

dedantemon

13-09-2009, 15:19

Knapp

13-09-2009, 15:22

then make WI Bm2 do 50% less dmg.
Damage already has been severely reduced.

so -1.
U'r FB, doesn't count ;)

dedantemon

13-09-2009, 15:26

Damage already has been severely reduced.

U'r FB, doesn't count ;)

Nerf WI dmg more xD, and it doesn't matter rlly if I am FB, Est will not do a thing to our root skills ;)

nex

13-09-2009, 15:28

Lol, funny thread, a kid WI that does not know how the game is played. Note that high lv WI's prefer Guardian from some reason.
Note that all classes are balanced with pros and cons, so if u want have FB exe 3 min ct, then make WI Bm2 do 50% less dmg.

so -1.

what do u know what high lvl WIs prefer ? this is biggest crap i've ever read, lmao. i know u stick to ure HFB buddy so i dont even count ure post >_>

dedantemon

13-09-2009, 15:34

what do u know what high lvl WIs prefer ? this is biggest crap i've ever read, lmao. i know u stick to ure HFB buddy so i dont even count ure post >_>

Sorry, i wanted to say ppl that know what is good for their WI in TG.
You can stay as a WI with Bringer title, and suffer the exe's + deaths. And you do not understand how it is to have resistance in game vs something that only 1 class in game has, so stop talking bs and increasing post count. I stop with the reply's.

nex

13-09-2009, 15:39

Sorry, i wanted to say ppl that know what is good for their WI in TG.
You can stay as a WI with Bringer title, and suffer the exe's + deaths. And you do not understand how it is to have resistance in game vs something that only 1 class in game has, so stop talking bs and increasing post count. I stop with the reply's.

maybe u should first get guardian and bringer as wizard and then post.. btw why do u even think u gotta clue about guardian and bringer since ure not even 15x ? lol

sebanina

13-09-2009, 16:29

I'm a FB and is say -1 to this, surprise ;o

Its just, tell me please what does FB have that others don't? In TG that is. WI have range, SP buff, which allows them to spam BM2 as much as they can. FA have even greater range combines witht he imo best short time buff AOS. WA is good all around, best stats out of all the classes and godly BM2 in TG. BL has some quite nice short time buffs a great DPS BM2 for killing single targets, builders, towers, la la and also a flee rate buff good for farming, flee rate -> jump into crowd and hit stuff. FS has Aod, which is the best tool for point farming and weaking respawning enemies. As all classes , FS also has a short time power up buff ;x

FB doesn't have any such quality, except for debuffs, so why would you want to render them useless? Like someone above already said, mana frezze is slowly becoming useless...and you want to nerf exceration also, so you'll leave us FB's with hard luck o.o pwn time.

On the other topic, i think hFB is an inovative, fun, but failed idea, since its based on the hfb attacking its opponent when he/she can't attack back. You can kill a +7 mith amped WI yea..... a WI, who was beforehand excerated and "darknessed" by you so he can't attack you back. If those 2 prerequierments aren't met you would die 99%. If you think that fightning style is "badass" i got a newsflash for ya, its the lamest thing imagineable, only cowards would fight like that. I can take my FB , buy him cheap eos+6 and bos+4 and do the same thing just like you "hFB", my cannons would only do slightly lower dmg than yours.

The concept of pumping magic and sword as a FB is nice, but sadly pumping magic dmg reduces sword dmg and vica versa.

nex

13-09-2009, 16:34

AdexxxLT

13-09-2009, 16:36

just make all classes short time buffs/debuff 2x cool time?:o

nex

13-09-2009, 16:40

just make all classes short time buffs/debuff 2x cool time?:o

wouldnt have anything against it aslong as i would be able to actually move on tg

sebanina

13-09-2009, 16:42

pls read what i wrote, you would still have execration but with a bit higher ct so u cant unmove 24/7.. fb's tg gameplay is

unmove/die/resp/unmove/die/resp >_>

I read what you wrote, making a de-buff with 40 secs cool time into a de-buff with 180 secs is the same as taking it away aka rendering it useless.

nex

13-09-2009, 16:44

I read what you wrote, making a de-buff with 40 secs cool time into a de-buff with 180 secs is the same as taking it away aka rendering it useless.

well IMO, its not big nerf for u since u can unmove just 1 person with it

Herflik

13-09-2009, 16:46

just make all classes short time buffs/debuff 2x cool time?:o

That would be more fair ,because everybody would be nerfed a bit.
But still you know that unmovable debuff and darkness ,hard luck arent short time debuffs. So they wouldnt get 2x cooldown nerf.

Because dunno if people know here ,FB got some debuff (the ones that he can cast often) as other classes got their ep2 long time buffs. Thats the reason why they have so small cooldown.

soulmc888

13-09-2009, 17:47

If you are so pro why you dont get guardian title with give hell lot of immoblize ressistance.

title is for few ppl not for all...and NOT on tg lower then 150 :|

triton21

13-09-2009, 17:55

-1 to everything in thread, no need to spend words on useless changes on any class

razielsnv

13-09-2009, 20:59

unmove/die/resp/unmove/die/resp >_>

well its a bit different with me:

Fb: Execration
Me: Casts Mass Restore,Goes combo
Fb dashes awey/let others Rush in and Fight me
Me: Can move again and Blinks
Fb: Casts Field of Execration
Me: Casts high regeneration
Fb: Dashes Awey/Let others Rush in and Fight me (again)
Me: Nearly Dead but Can move again, Blinks
Fb: Casts Execration
me: Oh noes i Forgot! The 1st Execration has Cooled Down already ! o_O
me: Doesn't have any Regenerations left,low on hp / Dies cuz of Nerfed Fb

Thats why i'm Scared of Fb's ;D

THEY WILL GET YOU O_O !!!!

konhoy

14-09-2009, 01:16

Unmove is the gayest skill ever, but thats the reason I prefer Guardian title, the stats from guardian is much more useful than bringer.
also, if it bothers you so much to get unmoved, then make guardian, and learn "Resist barrier". At lvl20 gives 25% resist unmovable for 45secs duration and almost no cool time. 60% resist from gaurdian title and 25% resist from that buff gives you nice 85% resist.

Elwind

14-09-2009, 05:29

I am wi.And no.They must not remove or downgrade execration.-1,anybody who whines over other classes skills,they must reconsider what they have to counter it.And whining on forums about a certain class skill,is not the way to go.

Moreover if you are a procyon,and a procyon does Foexec,then it is all good,right?Then thats fair cause they have disadvantage,right?

Do me a favor and stop this kind of threads,will ya all?

-9000

Frankon

14-09-2009, 06:11

-1 for this idea
The way i see it its like this:
A kid is fourious that he is always atacked cause he have a title... so he want's to nerf the people who attack him.

Ps. You are puting shame on people with titles. They don't whine they just mover thru the masses of enemies on TG. Killing dozens of them and laugh at people trying to kill them

AylaX

14-09-2009, 07:13

-1 ..........

Monstermutch

14-09-2009, 07:26

-1
give me short buff + 14% s amp and i m okay with you ...

nex

14-09-2009, 07:31

AylaX

14-09-2009, 07:53

Most of u should first read thread anyway but idc, its pretty obvious that ppl who havent even been on tg 150+ and fbs put "-1" and i knew tht b4 i even opened this.And for who just wanna post something, thing was about only making cooltime a bit higher but u obviously just wanna spam something :>

false, since i have nearly all classes in range +150 i think i can pretty good say that fb are one of the last classes which need any nerv like this.

NightShade

14-09-2009, 09:46

Execration debuffs work exactly as intended. If you dash-blink or board/bike past enemies in TG, then the only working way to stop you is this debuff. Even then, instant immunity works wonders when you need it. I understand your frustration, but your claims that this should be nerfed are completely useless.

FahrenheitPT

14-09-2009, 12:10

schneggsarah

15-09-2009, 00:04

+1 if mana freeze would become stronger =o

Herflik

15-09-2009, 04:24

Nerf unmovable would have to mean nerf all buffs/party buffs/debuffs from other classes, since unmovable is kinda like SP buff for wizard, just instead of working in the FB party, it works on the enemy party.

For me immoblize is like pokeball.
I go on TG and see 100 different pokemons and think "gotta catch them all".
Pick some pokemon like bringer and catch him so my side pokemons can kill him :P

adnianeraregiN

15-09-2009, 04:41

For me immoblize is like pokeball.
I go on TG and see 100 different pokemons and think "gotta catch them all".
Pick some pokemon like bringer and catch him so my side pokemons can kill him :P

...Right then.

D.A.N.T.E.

15-09-2009, 08:00

How about fking NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

they are nerfed as they are now...they don't need to suffer the fate of wizards xP

Nasuada

15-09-2009, 08:03

Fbs are already bad in tg, no need to nerf.

nex

15-09-2009, 08:13

Fbs are already bad in tg, no need to nerf.

fb isnt bad at all, i'll just take zoom as example, he's almost always top3 on 150+ war and i dont see him whining that fb is bad

Nasuada

15-09-2009, 08:24

fb isnt bad at all, i'll just take zoom as example, he's almost always top3 on 150+ war and i dont see him whining that fb is bad

Zoom has insane gear, dear.. But even though if he had as good gear on any other class he would do eve better if he knows how to play other classes. In tg range is the key. Fb as a low def meelee class insta dies when going to a group of enemies whitout imba gear..

RevengeOfChaos

15-09-2009, 08:47

-1 to increasing the ct of root/field root. Don't forget the root debuff is also a very useful debuff in pvE (in this case tg bosses:P) and increasing cooltimes would just make things tougher for fb's especially when their BASE STATS are already LOWER than other sword classes and NEED DEBUFFS to level the playing field in pve AND PVP. Makes more sense now lol.

nex

15-09-2009, 08:47

-1 to increasing the ct of root/field root. Don't forget the root debuff is also a very useful debuff in pvE and increasing cooltimes would just make things tougher for fb's especially when their base stats are already lower than other sword classes and need debuffs to level the playing field in pve and pvp.

noone said anything about pve, its tg change only -.-

RevengeOfChaos

15-09-2009, 08:51

"basically, put the goddamn higher cooltime on fb debuffs bcz its EXTREMELY annoying to be unmoved 24/7, thx"

That's what i read, not sure about you. So forgive me if i missed the part where it said tg.

nex

15-09-2009, 08:52

well if u read whole topic u'd understand it ^^

edit : read topic name >_____>

Zoom

15-09-2009, 11:28

pls read what i wrote, you would still have execration but with a bit higher ct so u cant unmove 24/7.. fb's tg gameplay is
unmove/die/resp/unmove/die/resp >_>

I don't know what you are making so much fuss about....Seems like most everyone get resist barrier buff... combined with guardian this debuff becomes useless like younha said.
Beside when we are all rank 20 or 16+ you can say bye bye to our edge/ survivability in war maps/open pvp/TG. Heck even people titleless ( aka guardian/bringers ) will resist my ****** exec...Sure isn't for a few months/year(s) but I can already see the effect while I try to root CrazyAngeeL in pk mode when he has rank 16 honor ( praetor of Faith )... results is i wasted 2 secs trying to root him and i got shot for 2k... and obviously he can purshue me / get me down / stun me/ finish me off meanwhile I "try" running/regen for my life...

There is one thing I see at the moment, that is execration can be countered ( guardian title, instant immunity every 3-5mins if i'm not mistaken for a good 45 secs..., pet resist unmovable enchant ( ye even ****** 1% works at times .... ) )...

Zoom has insane gear, dear.. But even though if he had as good gear on any other class he would do eve better if he knows how to play other classes. In tg range is the key. Fb as a low def meelee class insta dies when going to a group of enemies whitout imba gear..

Quote for the truth, if i was playing another class I could do some really lamer score like most other classes ( aka wa/wiz/fs ) such as 50-100 points more minimum... I agree tho that FA, BL needs good skills to score very high in TG on top of having good gear.

Every ****** melee classes got some defense skills and I will quote some for the truth :

wiz/fa got mass range stun/knockdown/knockback,
-Wi on his own has insane bm2 power ( heck it takes full debuffs to get rid of a Wi bringer in TG such a Blase :) rapidly before the whole spawn of capella is wiped down... ), it's nearly useless to root them except when you wanna /can take them down and show them not to mess when there is a fb around...
And they get back at me fairly often ( guardian wizs lama purshueing you until you die when you try to regen... XD and 60% of the time you will die by not being able to regen peacefully if u failed execration... ) It's fair.

-Average FA with AoS and guns with or without bringer title hit you from afar knocking you back / provoking bugs making you unable to move/dash/fade even tho no execration/stun on your ***...

That was for the ranged part.

Now the interesting part...
All melee have absolutely something to defend themselves that is not dependent of their opponent class...

WA/BL have instant immunity for 45 secs... Their BM2 drops you on the ground non stop and rape your hp off. You can be lucky to escape ( from what i heard ) if you fall on equasian in BM2 retargeting for example...

-WA got imba cat's regen, crit spree, wide splash range, knock down power while swinging, panic cry AoE which is an ubber powerful debuff. It's just devastating...

-BL got short time power buffs, flee rate 90% 45 secs, knock you down to ground also... so if you have one on your *** in BM2 and you are not prepared aka bms/aura etc... you better run...

-FS...ARGHHHH this is the only class that I think was so much improved due to whining/past weakness that now it is really ****** to even compare them to others...

60+ atk buffs, ranged attack 100% crit dmg + DoT + stun + fastest cool time reuse, ubber lame atk/magic in mortal bane coupled with AoD makes you basically a living Death God for all the things that goes close enough to you and that are not prepared...
Now FB got barely 50 atk more with same quality gear/lvl... for 300-400 DEF difference :) ? ridiculous. Ever since Episode 2 they got their hp boosted which gives them about ~300 or so more hp on top of defense compared to FB, BL got around same( maybe ~400 )on top of defense and Warrior got around 500-600 on top of defense... all compared to FB.. Nice.
I'm basing my calculation roughtly from around 1k-1.5k defense with full mithril gear +7 for fb when BL got around same and more dmg burst, wa can reach 1.2k def+ easy and from what jzzz told me he could get 1.3-1.4k def "easy" ( all with a full mithril set +7 ).

Heck this is the stupidest class ever, EVEN FB with all his debuffs can't do much against a FS in AoD ( i mean it takes load of people/time to kill one as long as lot of people wanna bother with them, you do 1 dmg on them per hit, you don't leech them because what does x% leech does give u back from 1 dmg hit... ) even enervation/hardluck can't do sh.it against them, they are just a waste of time and they farm score like no tomorrow when any other class bringer ( including me ) would take 5-10 secs to die while gang banged )... I don't know how it is now but in the past they were even receiving full dmg received from other classes skills meanwhile we were just doing 1 dmg per hit to them... ) just... gay.

-FB, wow let's check my "ubber lame" class which *cough* needs nerf it seems....

No defense buffs, no flee rate skill, no instant immunity, with bringer title you are just a punching ball. Like some quoted... BM1+AURA+Legacy and what happens next when you are in middle of combo ? Execrationed... you can only atk RIGHT next to you to splash people around, you can't USE YOUR DAMN MAGIC coze all canons/lances are disabled basically the only atk I can use is abyssal crystal ( 2.2 secs cast ) (3/4 range) AND Force impact ( 5 secs cast time ) ( close/medium range ).
BM2 is just as much as a joke, only ubber when you have guardian since you're less likely to be stunned/knockdown/knockedback but as bringer same pb, close range if you're execrationed pray to have some preys in range so you can actually fight some. Except you can use Canons/lances this time without comboing tho it's a bit gay. Not talking about the fact you CAN'T use execration and mana freeze during that mode... really nice joke.

Among all melee classes since Episode2 i have the lowest hp, lowest defense, barely more atk than a FS, absolutely no way to defend myself inside a crowd of procyons even with ubber BM1+AURA+LEGACY mode when all the lame FBS debuffs me with hard luck/enervation/execrationed/ManaFreeze/atkdown from WI/panic cry from WA/ field of fear from BL :D... I mean anybody be it any class goes down straight with that much ( except ****** lame FS class in AoD mode, wa/bl with instant immunity who can run away or dash away with enough mp pool ... ).

Now let's see how many way there is to resist unmovable at the moment and upcoming future ???
1/ pet resist unmovable enchant
2/resist barrier future buffs
3/ high rank honor titles 16 - 20
4/ titles from TG aka Guardians. ( 10 per classes, 6 classes basically, 60 persons to have the ability to resist least 60% your execration on each nation in a capped 100 vs 100 nation fight... So basically 120 people out of 200 who can laugh at you when you miss execration :D.

DEVELOPPERS should try out all classes with bringer title and see there is something wrong...It's tiring to be gimped and being rooted by people not even able to appear with clean names in TG !

For me immoblize is like pokeball.
I go on TG and see 100 different pokemons and think "gotta catch them all".
Pick some pokemon like bringer and catch him so my side pokemons can kill him :P

Don't worry Herflik, fb debuffs have a chance to work on anybody, so no matter how many times you debuff another fellah FB, he will get back at you sooner or later with his fellow pokemons =).

I make it a personal chase to enemy fbs whenever I see one since I got execrationed/debuffed non stop since few weeks, it's like FBs proc nation have bloomed during summer and they're all there to show you how much they have tanned since then ... Tired of being rooted by non title users and the insane number of FBs wanna be in TG who just enjoy execrate me whenever they see me and getting away letting the other classes killing me because they learnt they would die trying to kill me alone... So ye all you fellow fbs are first in my list to kill on sight...

fb isnt bad at all, i'll just take zoom as example, he's almost always top3 on 150+ war and i dont see him whining that fb is bad

It's only because you are not with me on TS/guild chat that you don't see me whining but believe me I whine much beyond this silly request you made on this thread :).

Seriously, you have no idea how much money I spend sp gear/vital gear wise and how much i rely on my party members to get my score... Thanks to the patience of all my fellow wiz/wa/fa that babysit me during TG I can achieve those scores and it all depends of how lucky I was to survive FBs spotting me and willing to show me they exist :). I'm only bringer because no other FB can/have the wealth to spend that much for this title.
Every TG cost me between 3-5 millions average money wise. I'm in permanent bm1/aura , bm2/Aura, Aura.

And the worst thing is I CAN BARELY IMPROVE MY GEAR.... I'm at the top of my class minus few details i can possibly only improve my atk by 24, while getting unaffected by mana freeze ( ye all you fellows FBs trying to mana freeze me & reading this YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME trying to mana freeze me for now=) but keep going np lol ). Maybe when update comes mana freeze will be a worthwhile debuffs... Any smartie/planning/serious gamer have a vampi cape/mp runes/mp upgrades/wiz buffs to resist MF for now...

SOME LOVE FOR FBS PLEASE !!! BUFF ME give me a party buff, give me a short time powah buffs too or a DEFENSE one ( ye i know i'm a dreamer ... ), something like instant immunity half timer, or flee rate half timer of real ones, i mean a goddamn possible way out of hard situation like other classes have damn it. Allow my ****** magical skills to be casted in combo during BM1. Goddamn it... too much ****** nerf on this class if it wasn't the first one i created I would have gone wa/fs melee wise since i'm not too fond of lame ranged one =).

FahrenheitPT

15-09-2009, 12:15

I'm glad some experienced FB wrote this :)

ragnarokpt

15-09-2009, 18:39

Id +1 this, but the thread was fagotized in mins...

The funny thing about FB's is that they just debuff... Debuff debuff debuff...

LETS FIGHT!... no wait debuff...... debuff..... debuff...

debuff some more......

some more...

FIGHT NOW oh wait im dead...

That might not happen like that, but it sure happens alot...

This is why I try to not run into FB's... Not only they sometimes magically do extreme damage, they also have to bug you with silly debuffs every stinking time. The only place where this doesnt happens is in EU pvp.

I dont give a crap about what style of pvp I play, nor do I give a crap about how nerfed your char is or isnt. In the end, if you loose, its because they crited and you didnt, or crited more, or it was the gear. Its not about skills nor any **** like that. Pressing buttons doesnt takes skill. TIMING also doesnt, since you can just deploy your load of bs on the other guy and kill him fast, or be a *** and run around continuosly while the other guy retargets you and actually damages you. Some classes have better stats then others. Oh poor you that cant beat something stronger and just cry about it instead of finding a way to do it right or simply accepting it in a GAME...

Although after all this, I do think FB's have too many debuffing ways. Instant immunity works for max 50 secs or something (I dont remember, flame me with LRN2PLAYTEHGAEM and see if I care) while FB's can debuff you with soo many ways, and simply "strap you to a chair" while they kill you or scratch their balls/vaginas...

Thats not fighting. That doesnt takes skill. That doesnt makes you pro. That just annoys loads of people, and even FB's.

FB's have too many spammable debuffs. The other classes dont spam their special **** as much as FB's...

Mesko89

15-09-2009, 19:21

Ty Zoom for writting that :)

-1 to threatstarter

ESTSoft ... please give me something i could compete with other melee characters ...

nex

15-09-2009, 20:30

last tg

first 4 mins = 5 times unmoved and no it doesnt need to be nerfed.

Belg

15-09-2009, 21:06

zzz what a whine thread, go get guardian title and stop whining, if u want to nerf excration u should think about nerving dash-blink, at the end everybody will whine about everything and everybody gets nerved and then more whine/flame thread will emerge at future updates ...
anyways -1 ofc

ragnarokpt

15-09-2009, 21:54

Zoom

16-09-2009, 10:13

last tg

first 4 mins = 5 times unmoved and no it doesnt need to be nerfed.

Welcome in my world shin :P. You think i get less execrationed ? I don't think so.
I got to use half of my dozen bms timer last night in that tg too :). So ? Doesn't matter the cool time of that what you don't get is that they have 2 times more active FBs in proc side than we do in capella side.
Heck last time we counted on TS with people in procyon side, they had 25 and we had 12 or so ... So you should stop whining and play your 14x FB and come try 150+ TG. We'll see if you still whine about that cool time lol. Like I said their population bloomed and EVEN IF YOU HAD 60% Resist unmovable,3 or 4 people trying to execration you and i can guarantee you would still get rooted.
What bothers you is your title Bringer 100% exec. So change it or bear with it. I don't think you can beat fs class at scoring... Like I said they WILL survive in a mass crowd proc fight BUT YOU like any other classes won't.

So you got 2 choices :
-either you play ur class right aka lame behind your partners, hit and pull back. If you're spotted you will most likely get rooted. So play ninja and lame as much as you can. Ofc that will make you score less higher than what a fs can but you will be less pissed i guess :P and avoid writing useless thread.
-Get a guardian and play as u usually do and you will have 50% chance of getting away during hard times.

Well extra choice but not least, as silly as the thread itself, ask Gms to limit FBs players in TG to like 11 ( all guardians + bringer ) or something ;-). This way you can really focus people when you go on hunting ;-). Beside i'm sorry but a FB without title is not a FB to me... It's a damn annoying bug ( sorry for all of you FBs who have hard time scoring or who don't even try to score & just love to lame around with easy debuffs/support nation ).

Ask developpers real stuff like limiting building towers of hp/atk/def down because god sake it's impossible to target gay ennemies with the wide circles of towers overlapping names/map....

So EVEN if we had more cool time on this skills if you had 15-20 fbs on their side you would still get execrationed as much by laming on the resurection towers :P or in attacking crowd of procs because yesterday like often there were no less than 4 fbs in any crowd of proc you would met in the TG map.
Beside when you go lame on proc respawn tower don't get surprised to get execrationed & raped because whenever i die and respawn at our resu I see a lama wiz with titles/no titles in bm2 trying to farm score... And guess what happen the next 1 min :-). Can tell you they end up like me wasting their half bm time ;-) if ofc I got lucky to exec them if they had guardian title. ( which thxfully isn't failing that much ).

zzz what a whine thread, go get guardian title and stop whining, if u want to nerf excration u should think about nerving dash-blink, at the end everybody will whine about everything and everybody gets nerved and then more whine/flame thread will emerge at future updates ...
anyways -1 ofc

Ye shin you must get GUARDIAN if you can't stand getting exec 100% of the time. And even then that would save u only half of the time at most.
Or you do like other guardians/no titles/bringer fbs when they see me, they back off and debuffs me from far because they think I won't know it was them ;). But payback will come sooner or later np.

nex

16-09-2009, 10:19

Little_B

16-09-2009, 10:22

fb isnt bad at all, i'll just take zoom as example, he's almost always top3 on 150+ war and i dont see him whining that fb is bad

3 years untill now , i heard enuff

i can't name a bigger whiner about how bad and nerfed FB was (was , as in now it's OP )

nex

16-09-2009, 10:23

3 years untill now , i heard enuff

i can't name a bigger whiner about how bad and nerfed FB was (was , as in now it's OP )

ok, i rly didnt notice :(

NightMistress

16-09-2009, 11:06

-1. deal with it
increase our cooltime duration,then increase for other classes as well. ( like bl/wi amp buff etc )

gumbala

16-09-2009, 11:45

95% of FB's i met on Tg are idiots:laugh1:
they dont know how to use them...so im not worrying:)
and i can be only mad that all FB's just slows me down to pwn others:)

night mistres we are talking about debuffs not buffs,like amp in wiz.so stay at topic...
btw u can increase the wiz debuff cool time.i dont use that crap:P

ragnarokpt

16-09-2009, 11:55

increase our cooltime duration,then increase for other classes as well. ( like bl/wi amp buff etc )

I agree with this. They can be spammed alot... Their not really "special"...

NightMistress

16-09-2009, 12:09

night mistres we are talking about debuffs not buffs,like amp in wiz.so stay at topic...

our debuffs are the equivalent of amp buff / flee rate skills for bl,like example. ( or does fb have amp buff and i don't know it? O_o )

if you can't figure out what i mean i suggest you read twice before saying that.

Masquarade

16-09-2009, 12:10

Welcome in my world shin :P. You think i get less execrationed ? I don't think so.
I got to use half of my dozen bms timer last night in that tg too :). So ? Doesn't matter the cool time of that what you don't get is that they have 2 times more active FBs in proc side than we do in capella side.
Heck last time we counted on TS with people in procyon side, they had 25 and we had 12 or so ... So you should stop whining and play your 14x FB and come try 150+ TG. We'll see if you still whine about that cool time lol. Like I said their population bloomed and EVEN IF YOU HAD 60% Resist unmovable,3 or 4 people trying to execration you and i can guarantee you would still get rooted.
What bothers you is your title Bringer 100% exec. So change it or bear with it. I don't think you can beat fs class at scoring... Like I said they WILL survive in a mass crowd proc fight BUT YOU like any other classes won't.

So you got 2 choices :
-either you play ur class right aka lame behind your partners, hit and pull back. If you're spotted you will most likely get rooted. So play ninja and lame as much as you can. Ofc that will make you score less higher than what a fs can but you will be less pissed i guess :P and avoid writing useless thread.
-Get a guardian and play as u usually do and you will have 50% chance of getting away during hard times.

Well extra choice but not least, as silly as the thread itself, ask Gms to limit FBs players in TG to like 11 ( all guardians + bringer ) or something ;-). This way you can really focus people when you go on hunting ;-). Beside i'm sorry but a FB without title is not a FB to me... It's a damn annoying bug ( sorry for all of you FBs who have hard time scoring or who don't even try to score & just love to lame around with easy debuffs/support nation ).

Ask developpers real stuff like limiting building towers of hp/atk/def down because god sake it's impossible to target gay ennemies with the wide circles of towers overlapping names/map....

So EVEN if we had more cool time on this skills if you had 15-20 fbs on their side you would still get execrationed as much by laming on the resurection towers :P or in attacking crowd of procs because yesterday like often there were no less than 4 fbs in any crowd of proc you would met in the TG map.
Beside when you go lame on proc respawn tower don't get surprised to get execrationed & raped because whenever i die and respawn at our resu I see a lama wiz with titles/no titles in bm2 trying to farm score... And guess what happen the next 1 min :-). Can tell you they end up like me wasting their half bm time ;-) if ofc I got lucky to exec them if they had guardian title. ( which thxfully isn't failing that much ).

Ye shin you must get GUARDIAN if you can't stand getting exec 100% of the time. And even then that would save u only half of the time at most.
Or you do like other guardians/no titles/bringer fbs when they see me, they back off and debuffs me from far because they think I won't know it was them ;). But payback will come sooner or later np.

I hate un move D:
this is so gay D:

i hate EC06 chasing me!

and pleaz, don't compare the most powerfull skill in tg (unmove) to sucky amp buff D:

unmove means = death

if you don't like someone, just give it to him 2 unmove (if guardian) and he will die like a poor pig!

but it's life, every mmo has his gay class D:

Zoom

16-09-2009, 12:19

i dont mind getting unmoved if im on their res, what bothers me is that i get unmoved EVERYWHERE >_> and no i dont want guardian cz it sux :p

also, take a look at this, execration CT is 40 secs and it lasts for 20+ which makes it pretty much no cooltime debuff :)

eww... be happy you can score fairly equally to wa/fs due to your amp buff/bm1/bm2/blink/dash/fade + sp buffs ( less money wasted ) + spirit intension ( <3 it ) and you can finish people off pretty fairly ( as long as it's not a lucky FB who is lucky at execration or a FS who didn't use his AoD yet :P ).

Basically I think they should also nerf your mass stun/DoT on gm because god sake FB has none working on players. Also ye they should remove your blink coze this gives you so much speed you can purshue a player until he/she dies... I mean at being totally irrealistic there is quite some stuff to talk about for your class seriously. Be happy with what you have already. Let's see what happened, they nerfed your dmg pvp wise with BM2 / canons ( forgot what it was about ).
But for my class hmmm... It seems we got pretty much boosted ( ups sorry I meant we started to be useful/fun to play ) at epidose 2. And fs is totally OP. I mean look at next update and the boosts we get. They are gonna take our lvl down on GM because they don't know how to make it work ( feature they say ). They're gonna increase our MANA FREEZE debuffs because obviously 10 secs is a joke. They're gonna increase our hard luck duration to 1min because obviously 20 secs was a joke. I mean I do believe if there is one class atm which needs boost from the upcoming patch it is US FB. So I don't think your pitiful whining is gonna change anything to FACTS ! Play your FB up to 170 or come at 150+ in TG and dare telling me you need nerfs ;).
And I GET EXECRATIONED EVERYWHERE TOO! so what ? lol life goes on, I wil take revenge later when capella gang procyon the same way.

As for the CT of single execration... Ye let's talk about the debuff mana freeze ( 10 secs ), any of our debuffs takes 2 secs minimum + 2 secs launching combo. So in the end let's say you got 5 secs for casting skills that's basically a completer and any other skill until any other class finish you off :-). And I do believe some people said we get 30 secs MF which means they know there is something wrong. So then tell me why we get 1min hard luck instead of our old ****** 20 secs. Why do I have to break my combo for my party members every 4 skills for better dps party wise... I don't think any other class have the right to complain about what they got ATM except FB considering I DID PLAY ALL except FS until 150+.

3 years untill now , i heard enuff

i can't name a bigger whiner about how bad and nerfed FB was (was , as in now it's OP )

OP ? ... you don't know what you're talking about soooo
1/ play one above 150+ and come try TG get guardian/bringer try beating pure classes score wise there. I bet you get 100 points difference Minimum in score with the ranked number 1 player of TG ( in long & interesting TG ) ( aka mass vs mass ).

2/ I played all above 150 except FS ( 114 or so atm which I stopped because I didn't reach the top yet on FB and decided to go to the end of this char first ). I can tell all advantages or inconvenients in all classes. Can you ?
Wa & bl have 45 secs of total pure outleashed DPS without movement limitation ( instant immunity ) ( power short buffs 25 secs for bl & bloody spirit ) while having a bringer title.
FS have 60 secs of AoD ( which make unmovable totally useless ) + Mortal bane lasting 30 secs still with bringer title.
Ranged classes have range attacks which actually don't bother them to be execrationed when you're in bm2+art of sniping for FA. Mage can avoid being rooted if they play very lame to actually lower the quantity of landing Execrations + still they can keep dishing out dmg to people attacking them from afar.
WHAT CAN FB DO WHILE ROOTED ? Throwing canons in combo mode. Can't in BM1 coze all magic canons/lances disabled, throwing cannons in bm2 is kinda useless I mean of course you will do that but without comboing it's pretty gay...

EVERY OTHER CLASSE HAVE OFFENSIVE & DEFENSIVE short buff/means. I throw a skill it's 3 secs from being close to opponent without being able to do nothing. I throw a gm that's 4.1 secs of not being able to do anything meanwhile once I finish i'm most likely execrationed/hardlucked/panic cried/enervationed/weakened/field of feared.
DO WE HAVE ANY ESCAPE ROUTE ? Heavy dishing power buffs or party buffs ? when we go into a ****** crowd ??? NO and that is the BIG PROBLEM OF FB !!!

Have a nice day.

soulmc888

16-09-2009, 12:19

I
The funny thing about FB's is that they just debuff...

well ofc they do, the class is based on that too, like fs -> AoD + MB , wiz -> amp + bm2 and so on for all classes, as u know each class is based on something so if u take off one class thing u should take off that to other classes imho

Masquarade

16-09-2009, 12:29

i would enjoy to leave my amp buff if FB takes off there unmove!

BELIEVE ME

MaKo Leonhart

16-09-2009, 12:37

@Zoom: wise words you said.

@on-topic: i know we can make one person unmovable for 1m, Exec » F.Exec » Exec, if you want to change in TG the Exec cool time to 42sec instead of 40sec, because of that sequence, i dont mind, but i want more magic skill points to maximize all of my debuffs and buffs:P.

Cool time is not a problem(beside that sequence), the problem is like Zoom said, the number of FB's in TG, create instead of max players per nation » max players per class, 17 players per class * 6 = 102 players per nation.

I cast Exec/F.Exec (i dont have specific targets like bringers/guardians) :
- on lone wolfs (usually RW3 / WI)
- when i want to get away from someone,
- when someone enters my nation dominion
- TG bosses (sometime they follow someone and re-spawn)

the thing is, if i see i bunch of enemies in my nation dominion it's only natural to anyone to debuff the bringer/guardian with them, since they're harder to kill.

@off-topic:

i think every FB whines. i whine all the time, i think my guild mates are sick of me whining all day long (i'm the only FB 150+ in my guild).

some of my whines:
-low defense/ defense rate
-every one has a debuff, some of them even better than FB
-no party buffs
-no short time buffs/ debuffs to really help against bosses.
- FS has more 30% crit.dmg but only 1%rate less (i know we have hard luck, but i trade that any day for their buff), more defense, more hp, AoD, SS.

but this is my main/everyday whine:
-no need in party for dungeons/kill bosses!!!

everyone wants:
- WA (BM2, fury, morale, debuff, great tank & dmg) ,
- BL (BM2+amp+add.damage, flee rate, debuff, great tank & dmg)
- WI (BM2+amp, SP, Regen, normal buffs, range damage),
- FA (BM2+AoS, Heal, Mass Heal, normal buffs, range damage),

even FS is useful with SS, but i think IF EstSoft remove, at this moment, FB and FS no one will miss them (beside the FB&FS owners).

Hell, i hear all the time in my guild "we can't do this dungeon because we dont have WA(online), we can't do that dungeon because we dont have 2 WI's (online)" i never hear/read people saying "we need debuffs, so we need FB in the party", why is that??? because we dont bring anything new to the party, everyone has a goddamn debuff/party buff to cast.

FB = debuff class, we should be the only class with noticeable debuffs, WA & BL debuffs should belong to FB, give them our other debuffs (Lower defense, Blind, Guard Brake)

sorry for this wall of text.

Monstermutch

16-09-2009, 12:55

i would enjoy to leave my amp buff if FB takes off there unmove!

BELIEVE ME

well we have 2 skill for unmovable . you will leave sp buff too for the 2snd unmovable skill ?

...

ragnarokpt

16-09-2009, 14:39

well ofc they do, the class is based on that too, like fs -> AoD + MB , wiz -> amp + bm2 and so on for all classes, as u know each class is based on something so if u take off one class thing u should take off that to other classes imhoHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAno

Just because you have a gun, doesnt means you have to use it...

Ive seen lots of wizzies that dont need anything of what you said above to kill decently. Same for FS's and FB's.

The point here is that FB's overuse this feature. In any open fight with an FB, the first thing he does is debuff you with everything.

I dont need to say anything more...

@Zoom: wise words you said.

@on-topic: i know we can make one person unmovable for 1m, Exec » F.Exec » Exec, if you want to change in TG the Exec cool time to 42sec instead of 40sec, because of that sequence, i dont mind, but i want more magic skill points to maximize all of my debuffs and buffs:P.

Cool time is not a problem(beside that sequence), the problem is like Zoom said, the number of FB's in TG, create instead of max players per nation » max players per class, 17 players per class * 6 = 102 players per nation.

I cast Exec/F.Exec (i dont have specific targets like bringers/guardians) :
- on lone wolfs (usually RW3 / WI)
- when i want to get away from someone,
- when someone enters my nation dominion
- TG bosses (sometime they follow someone and re-spawn)

the thing is, if i see i bunch of enemies in my nation dominion it's only natural to anyone to debuff the bringer/guardian with them, since they're harder to kill.

@off-topic:

i think every FB whines. i whine all the time, i think my guild mates are sick of me whining all day long (i'm the only FB 150+ in my guild).

some of my whines:
-low defense/ defense rate
-every one has a debuff, some of them even better than FB
-no party buffs
-no short time buffs/ debuffs to really help against bosses.
- FS has more 30% crit.dmg but only 1%rate less (i know we have hard luck, but i trade that any day for their buff), more defense, more hp, AoD, SS.

but this is my main/everyday whine:
-no need in party for dungeons/kill bosses!!!

everyone wants:
- WA (BM2, fury, morale, debuff, great tank & dmg) ,
- BL (BM2+amp+add.damage, flee rate, debuff, great tank & dmg)
- WI (BM2+amp, SP, Regen, normal buffs, range damage),
- FA (BM2+AoS, Heal, Mass Heal, normal buffs, range damage),

even FS is useful with SS, but i think IF EstSoft remove, at this moment, FB and FS no one will miss them (beside the FB&FS owners).

Hell, i hear all the time in my guild "we can't do this dungeon because we dont have WA(online), we can't do that dungeon because we dont have 2 WI's (online)" i never hear/read people saying "we need debuffs, so we need FB in the party", why is that??? because we dont bring anything new to the party, everyone has a goddamn debuff/party buff to cast.

FB = debuff class, we should be the only class with noticeable debuffs, WA & BL debuffs should belong to FB, give them our other debuffs (Lower defense, Blind, Guard Brake)

sorry for this wall of text.

In the end, what you said was the features within classes. Whats bad about most features is that they get too spammable, and in the end, very annoying

Zoom

16-09-2009, 14:50

I hate un move D:
this is so gay D:

i hate EC06 chasing me!

and pleaz, don't compare the most powerfull skill in tg (unmove) to sucky amp buff D:

unmove means = death

if you don't like someone, just give it to him 2 unmove (if guardian) and he will die like a poor pig!

but it's life, every mmo has his gay class D:

If you dared chasing me once when I wanted to regen and You had a title so I could see WHO it was I will chase YOU forever whenever I have the chance =) no exceptions.

Unmovable for a bringer isn't all the time death. It depends of how many people ganking you there are and how many there are to assit you defending yourself & killing the lamers :). It also depends if you are in bm or not/have a legacy or not and if your opponent is/has a legacy.

Amp buff helps you score & take your opponents down quick. I don't think you would like not to have it =). Beside it's not a fair price to pay to remove UNMOVABLE from the game. It's like comparing giving your fork with which you eat for the lamborghini of your trader... ;-)

Mind you the most powerful skill in TG is a skill that can be in no way resisted...
And that is INSTANT IMMUNITY/ART OF DEFENSE. Those are OP because they allow one to keep attacking/tanking/and resist any abnormal status aka allow you to unleash massive damage and retreat safely after/meanwhile the 45 secs of pure massive dmg output allowing one to escape his fated death in a mass gank. People either can't catch you back either they give up hitting you because hitting 1dmg and receiving thousands back is not fun/interesting...waste of time also.

You go lvl up a FB and tell me if 2 debuffs are enough to execration someone with guardian title :D. Believe me it's not.
And then imagine that when everyone is rank 20 with 30% or so resist unmovable=).
Dare to tell me it's op when all classes with guardian title can resist. Or when new buffs resist barrier will be in.
I had to run after a guardian in our base once and i could only root him at the 4th attempt.
Beside you can always try exec someone in instant immunity and see if it works... Even 20 fbs trying to unmove a class with instant immunity active will have 0% success. Even 20 fbs trying to unmove a FS will ofc succeed but what's the goal of it if he triggers AoD? Get the point, we are not talking about wiz here because they have more than enough, we're not talking about fa because they also have quite good stuff. They shine even more when they have guardian.
We're talking about FB class the one & only melee who doesn't have anything to save his *** off AMONG THE MELEES TYPE. Try getting lances on top of canons & on top of buffs/debuffs. Believe me points are lacking like MaKo Leonhart above said.

You're supposed to be at ease from distance...U can combo/u can still attack smoohtly and in combo lock when you got execrationed. I can't when i'm in
my bm1 and can cast cannons while in bm2 and missing ofc. And well just normal aura/no aura I die as quick as you because us FB have barely few defs more than wizs & lowest hp among melees.

Eventually, if you wanna take unmovable off i'm ok with it then you remove also spirit intension/instant immunity/AoD
;-).
We'll see how you like having the most essential buff taking off from you and which allow you to hold longer than us who don't have it. There is absolutely nothing to envy us FB from a wiz point of view.

HAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAno

Just because you have a gun, doesnt means you have to use it...

Ive seen lots of wizzies that dont need anything of what you said above to kill decently. Same for FS's and FB's.

The point here is that FB's overuse this feature. In any open fight with an FB, the first thing he does is debuff you with everything.

I dont need to say anything more...

In the end, what you said was the features within classes. Whats bad about most features is that they get too spammable, and in the end, very annoying
Any class that doesn't use their useful skills when they are available is just wasting his potential/ don't play his character right.
There is a reason to use our debuffs--> These are the only things that actually make us match to other melee classes dmgs. And the big problem here is that everybody in your nation take advantage of it =). So basically it's a party buff/debuff in a twisted way except that we have to spam and therefore instead of "just" comboing straight we have to waste 2 secs per debuffs and most likely not get any point from doing that since the target is dead by the time you finish.

Masquarade

16-09-2009, 15:47

well we have 2 skill for unmovable . you will leave sp buff too for the 2snd unmovable skill ?

...

yes, i don't care PARTY buff -_-
except spirit intention... i won't let go this one for ANY BUFF from ANY CLASS

it's the best buff pvp ever after unmove!

@Zoom

i know all of that, i agree with you, but still

UNMOVE IS GAY!! D:

i would be FB.. i would have much more fun killing people i don't like XDDD

Remciol

16-09-2009, 16:10

-1, if remove unmovable, remove aod, blink and other shiets

Axxus

16-09-2009, 18:49

-1, if remove unmovable, remove aod, blink and other shiets

ye lets take away one of the only things that make WI good, and btw, there is a difference between 2 debuffs with unmoveable, or AoD wich you can avoid EASILY by just walking away, + AoD has way more ct. (+ blink is ep1 skill), i think they just need to remove the mass unmoveable from TG, it sucks getting unmoved while you arent even the target, so you are unmoved without being even attacked or anything T_T.

Mesko89

16-09-2009, 18:50

@Axxus: Live with it :) Unmovable is almost the only saving kit for FBs

Axxus

16-09-2009, 18:52

lol... then you just cant play your class.. if the ONLY way you can win is with unmoveable.

soulmc888

16-09-2009, 18:53

HAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAno

Just because you have a gun, doesnt means you have to use it...

Ive seen lots of wizzies that dont need anything of what you said above to kill decently. Same for FS's and FB's.

The point here is that FB's overuse this feature. In any open fight with an FB, the first thing he does is debuff you with everything.

well...in a game if u have a gun u use it lol

and btw if u find a FS not in aod its cause it is in cool time or he doesnt reached yet a ress tower

Mesko89

16-09-2009, 18:59

@Axxus: I am not talking about winning :) i am talking about saving my *** from procs ... U have blink and dash and i without unmovable debuff i cant stop u.

Axxus

16-09-2009, 18:59

you would still have unmoveable, only 1 instead of 2, read what i say.

Mesko89

16-09-2009, 19:05

@Axxus: Ys we have 2. One for only one player and one field of execration. but we can only unmove 4 chars ... thats not that much if i get crowd. Its only 20 seconds ...

Belg

16-09-2009, 19:51

lol... then you just cant play your class.. if the ONLY way you can win is with unmoveable.

srry to say mate but if u need to nerve another class down to win against it u also fail at playing your class ... Dont blink-dash away so much and fight the fb, that way u wont get unmoved so offten

Remciol

16-09-2009, 21:10

lol... then you just cant play your class.. if the ONLY way you can win is with unmoveable.

K, while remove unmovable, remove ur sp regen + amp buff o_O

Best way to awoid terrible FBs is to quit cabal :)

Ktybb

Vizard

17-09-2009, 01:35

what a complete crock this thread is if fb lose's there debuffs all short time buffs including sp buff and both amp buffs should be removed or have a long ct aswell. hate being unmoved get the resist unmove rune and skills in your pet dont come crying because it happens a few times each war to you. in the years i have played this game iv been unmove'd so many god damn times its really got on my nerves but meh you learn to live with it and if you cant you dont go to tg or pvp that class. I bet the Thread starter is one of them EU Pvp style nubs aswell where FB's arnt allowed to use there debuffs but yet your allowed to use your high regen etc buffs fair i think not. learn to play your char and use what items you have been given to turn things like the unmove and mana freeze debuffs round. Dont go jumping on any one who's a hfb or even a fb just because your too lazy to do something else about how weak you are as a player and how you have built your char.

On topic a big fat -1 to the nerffing of the unmove debuffs. why should we as fb's lose one of our weapons because other players dont like it

soulmc888

17-09-2009, 05:30

lets fight all without weapons with punches only then maybe u could be happy lol...quote: to avoid fbs quit cabal

Mesko89

17-09-2009, 07:34

With punches FB, WI, FA will lose :P WA, BL will be the best for punches, but ... it might be very fun trying that :o

nex

17-09-2009, 08:42

Monstermutch

17-09-2009, 09:08

sp buff = 5 mins, amp buff = 3 mins, and what does this thread has to do with eu pvp ? Please read before posting useless things

/mode kikoulol on

PLEASE USE YOUR MIND BEFORE START USELESS THREAD

/mode kikoulol off

nex

17-09-2009, 09:13

/mode kikoulol on

PLEASE USE YOUR MIND BEFORE START USELESS THREAD

/mode kikoulol off

ure fb, ure not allowed to post, better go spam execration

Monstermutch

17-09-2009, 09:22

ure fb, ure not allowed to post, better go spam execration

I prefer spam this funny thread :laugh1::laugh1:

:focus:

majkel1702

17-09-2009, 09:25

-1 deal with it, its part of the game

ragnarokpt

17-09-2009, 10:12

and btw if u find a FS not in aod its cause it is in cool time

Exactly.

You dont use it smartly. Most FB's debuff the hell out of any1 just because they have 2 debuffs and can debuff anytime they want, unlike other classes cant use their special stuff as much.

Vizard

17-09-2009, 10:24

sp buff = 5 mins, amp buff = 3 mins, and what does this thread has to do with eu pvp ? PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING USELESS THINGS

it has everythign to do with it field of ex has a 6 minute ct along with field of evner and as TG is a mass pvp area yoru crying like a little girl only because the fb's are using what they was given now go cry in a corner with your computer off because thats all your good for

ure fb, ure not allowed to post, better go spam execration

im a fb and who the hell are you to say where we can post and where we cant go grow up you ****** immature child. you cant take that us FB's use our debuffs in tg and pvp un-install the game or dont go tg and dont pvp us

NightShade

17-09-2009, 10:26

Exactly.

You dont use it smartly. Most FB's debuff the hell out of any1 just because they have 2 debuffs and can debuff anytime they want, unlike other classes cant use their special stuff as much.

In AOD you can survive despite impossible odds and wank 10-20 other players dealing terrifying damage without fear. With AoE Exe you are lucky if you get to root 10 people at once, since more and more of them get some kind of resist.

nex

17-09-2009, 10:30

it has everythign to do with it field of ex has a 6 minute ct along with field of evner and as TG is a mass pvp area yoru crying like a little girl only because the fb's are using what they was given now go cry in a corner with your computer off because thats all your good for

im a fb and who the hell are you to say where we can post and where we cant go grow up you ****** immature child. you cant take that us FB's use our debuffs in tg and pvp un-install the game or dont go tg and dont pvp us

ye, i see whos immature lol just check ure post for immature thingies, hf

dedantemon

17-09-2009, 10:58

In AOD you can survive despite impossible odds and wank 10-20 other players dealing terrifying damage without fear. With AoE Exe you are lucky if you get to root 10 people at once, since more and more of them get some kind of resist.

U can root a max of 4 targets with FoExe :)
I reported this as a bug, and was confirmed that max targets that FoExe affects is only 4 , despite it's limit:5 Oo

NightShade

17-09-2009, 11:00

U can root a max of 4 targets with FoExe :)
I reported this as a bug, and was confirmed that max targets that FoExe affects is only 4 , despite it's limit:5 Oo

Limit:5 means fifth AoE circle, not limit of targets.

Explains better why I couldn't put this skill to much use ...

dedantemon

17-09-2009, 11:04

Limit:5 means fifth AoE circle, not limit of targets.

Explains better why I couldn't put this skill to much use ...

Yeah but, u can root a max of 4 targets.
While FoEne affects a max of 9 targets within limit:3, FoExe affets a max of 4 targets within limit:5. Simply, u can root ppl from great distance, and catch them in a big circle, but only 4 max.

Look what ghost said, after he got reply from Est:http://forum.cabalonline.com/showthread.php?t=110843&page=3

ragnarokpt

17-09-2009, 11:10

In AOD you can survive despite impossible odds and wank 10-20 other players dealing terrifying damage without fear. With AoE Exe you are lucky if you get to root 10 people at once, since more and more of them get some kind of resist.

Intelligent people dont aim at AoDing FS's unless they can deal ALOT of damage, which no1 can, but in the end, forget about it...

Do remember FS is a tanking class by nature, its supposed to do so.

I dunno how can people get enough % to resist really... Get resist in pet... Oh wow, that will be fun to try... Rune at least is easier....

Zoom

17-09-2009, 11:30

Intelligent people dont aim at AoDing FS's unless they can deal ALOT of damage, which no1 can, but in the end, forget about it...

Do remember FS is a tanking class by nature, its supposed to do so.

I dunno how can people get enough % to resist really... Get resist in pet... Oh wow, that will be fun to try... Rune at least is easier....

I don't know where you saw we can get resist unmovable in rune or if it's going to come later in patch but ATM I'm not aware of such thing existing.

And between being a tank by nature and a total unkillable Death God ( which means not only it tanks but also kills people very quickly ) there is a huge margin. Fs are supposed to be tanker sure but since when are they dishing more or as much dmg as a FB/WA/BL. /Wonder....

Vizard

17-09-2009, 11:39

ye, i see whos immature lol just check ure post for immature thingies, hf

the only immature thing in my post was aimed at you. only because you cant stand being root'd every other minute in TG. Learn to live with it or dont go there. Next you'l want aod and SS banned from tg and while your at it mana freeze etc only because you cant stand having no mana because you did not use the runes to your advantage or that you cant kill a fs because of his aod or some other lame excuse.

I have been on both sides of rooting yes its annoying as hell to just stand there but it is also good fun to catch you running wizards with legacy's or even root a fb and kill him before he gets any closer to our fighters trying to take a point. Also lets not forget my fav rooting a guardian so the caps/procs cant steal it from us and we can lure it far away from the point before it hits its respawn point from the distance.

NightShade

17-09-2009, 11:42

Intelligent people dont aim at AoDing FS's unless they can deal ALOT of damage, which no1 can, but in the end, forget about it...

Do remember FS is a tanking class by nature, its supposed to do so.

I dunno how can people get enough % to resist really... Get resist in pet... Oh wow, that will be fun to try... Rune at least is easier....

Yup ... and as such his damage should be cut down while he is in AOD (just like you lose defense when you use Bane ...).

If not the notorious sight of 20+ idiots targeting FS in AOD, it wouldn't be much of a problem.

ragnarokpt

17-09-2009, 11:43

I don't know where you saw we can get resist unmovable in rune or if it's going to come later in patch but ATM I'm not aware of such thing existing.

And between being a tank by nature and a total unkillable Death God ( which means not only it tanks but also kills people very quickly ) there is a huge margin. Fs are supposed to be tanker sure but since when are they dishing more or as much dmg as a FB/WA/BL. /Wonder....

There isnt? Oh crap then I guess. Thought there was since there even is mp absorve...

Well, classes in cabal arent exactly like the rest of the classes in other games... Just like this game becomes more of a full time job then a game...

The best solution to an AoDing FS is getting far from him, although in TG its hard because of abnormal AoE and the badly done maps that cant even be walked on straight...

Yup ... and as such his damage should be cut down while he is in AOD (just like you lose defense when you use Bane ...).

If not the notorious sight of 20+ idiots targeting FS in AOD, it wouldn't be much of a problem.
+1 on this. But NOOO lets give him a buff aswell... He doesnt already have a skill with a big AoE + 100% critical dmg...

oberribi

17-09-2009, 12:06

ure fb, ure not allowed to post, better go spam execration

you know, its kinda strange. you are a bringer, and if i read it correctly, a wizard too. if you cant smoke any FB with 2-3 shots even when in unmovable status, you deserve a darwin award.

Masquarade

17-09-2009, 14:41

you know, its kinda strange. you are a bringer, and if i read it correctly, a wizard too. if you cant smoke any FB with 2-3 shots even when in unmovable status, you deserve a darwin award.

And you deserve the price of the best noob post in this thread.

Enjoy it , and be proud of it

GZ!

Monstermutch

17-09-2009, 14:48

And you deserve the price of the best noob post in this thread.

Enjoy it , and be proud of it

GZ!

not sure mate :)

Xamer

17-09-2009, 15:39

whole topic is pointless :D

any skill is disabled on tg? (ye, dance.. )

so GMs will NEVER nerf debuffs

enough is, that mf is going to be useless soon (thx to MP rune -.-)

all.

Belg

17-09-2009, 15:51

Intelligent people dont aim at AoDing FS's unless they can deal ALOT of damage, which no1 can, but in the end, forget about it...

Do remember FS is a tanking class by nature, its supposed to do so.

I dunno how can people get enough % to resist really... Get resist in pet... Oh wow, that will be fun to try... Rune at least is easier....

go lvl to 150+ and get GUARDIAN TITLE ffs .... 60% resist ... wiz guardians are a pain in the ***, but plz stop spamming this thread if you dont have enough experience to counter other classes sufficiantly

FahrenheitPT

17-09-2009, 15:59

I wish some GMs read some of the posts of Zoom and understand how nerfed we already are.

nex

17-09-2009, 20:41

you know, its kinda strange. you are a bringer, and if i read it correctly, a wizard too. if you cant smoke any FB with 2-3 shots even when in unmovable status, you deserve a darwin award.

omg are u trying to troll ? i said 1v1 unmove isnt prob cz i dont find fbs strong, but its prob if im unmoved every minute in groups of 10 ppl from enemy nation >_>

Vizard

17-09-2009, 21:02

moan moan moan so you dont like the debuffs in TG most of you lot dont like debuffs in pvp either but no your allowed to use the short buffs etc go grow the fk up and live with it you made the choice to play the game now stop trying to change the other char's because you dont like a skill or 2 of theres

Galatea

17-09-2009, 22:42

@ thread starter
u do know that estsoft will never grant this bs wish of yours...?

RevengeOfChaos

18-09-2009, 09:07

This has been going on for ages now. Come on man i'm sure you're not the only player that has to put up with being rooted, besides estsoft won't do anything.

MaKo Leonhart

18-09-2009, 10:24

people dont like to be standing still like a dummy, i can understand that.

i really dont mind if they took those 2 debuffs only if we're given some new debuffs/short time buffs, as for example:

cool time 180sec, duration time of short buffs can be increase with battle style rank up.

Choose 2 of the following 4:

Critical short buff - for 30 sec +100% C.Dmg (only for FB)

Vampire short buff - 30 sec +8% HP/MP steal +100 Max HP/MP steal (party buff)

Amnesia Debuff - for 20 sec enemy cant cast skill aboves expert (area 3, max enemy: 5)

C.Dmg/C.Rate debuff - 20 sec enemy lose 30%rate & 60%dmg (area 5, max enemy:10)

this way everybody can run away, and i think the FB community would be happy, at least i would. I would choose the 2 short time buffs.

darkvortexx

18-09-2009, 10:56

+1 to Zoom, -1 for the actual suggestion in this thread.
I know It's very irritating to get debuffed by a FB, but it's their only strength...

Masquarade

18-09-2009, 11:57

I wish some GMs read some of the posts of Zoom and understand how nerfed we already are.

OMG pleaz, don't say you are nerfed.

give me your 25% rate buff ;)

FahrenheitPT

18-09-2009, 12:06

What's the use of the rate when you have the lowest attack from the melee classes?

Monstermutch

18-09-2009, 12:09

What's the use of the rate when you have the lowest attack from the melee classes?

and the lowest def and the lowest HP. and the lowest def rate (maybe not for the last :p)

Masquarade

18-09-2009, 12:45

ragnarokpt

18-09-2009, 12:49

go lvl to 150+ and get GUARDIAN TITLE ffs .... 60% resist ... wiz guardians are a pain in the ***, but plz stop spamming this thread if you dont have enough experience to counter other classes sufficiantlyWhy waste time lvling up... You seem to have more trouble beating a wiz then a wiz beating a fb so... *laughs at Belg*

I spam what I want. And thats final.

+1 to Zoom, -1 for the actual suggestion in this thread.
I know It's very irritating to get debuffed by a FB, but it's their only strength...

Not rly... Ive seen alot of fb's that dont need debuffs, and some that even get worse with the debuffs...

Monstermutch

18-09-2009, 13:45

pleaz...

and you say WI wine? lol?

i won't lounch the subject, but FB are strong, maybe not in pve (damn, with debuff, you are strong in pve, but lets say, "normal") but in pvp, with a descent gear you can owned a lot ^^

BTW, i am rerolling FB, because 25% rate is just awesome! :D

lol full debuff cornus = death :P
and about pvp, nobody want pvp with a fb if he use his debuff :/

btw enjoy with the most funny/nefred class of cabal online :yahoo:

Zoom

18-09-2009, 13:47

OMG pleaz, don't say you are nerfed.

give me your 25% rate buff ;)

Go play any other melee class WA/BL/FS up to lvl 150+ THEN play FB up to 150+ ( with all the same gear regarding adjustments with the weapons). You will see a world of difference...
You can do it the other way around start by FB then go the other melee. The result will be the same I guarantee you :).

pleaz...

and you say WI wine? lol?

i won't lounch the subject, but FB are strong, maybe not in pve (damn, with debuff, you are strong in pve, but lets say, "normal") but in pvp, with a descent gear you can owned a lot ^^

BTW, i am rerolling FB, because 25% rate is just awesome! :D

Wi don't whine much because they got all they need and are a MUST in party for dungeons for smooth runs in tough dungeons. They got also the awesome buff spirit intension for TG it's the one i want without hesitation anytime. I could care less about morale/fury/vital force/forceincrease/SP/Shadow Shield if I had to pick only one among all those.

Reroll and enjoy when you get to TG 150+ trying rooting guardians title users :) and behold "You can not cast the same type of buffs blabla" aka Fail*xx.
By the time you get there everyone will come closer to rank 16 or close to it for those who don't have any title :P. Beside by the mere fact you will be low 15x lvl your execration will fail a lot more on them due to lvl gap except if you target bringers without any pet resist unmovable in slot.

Why waste time lvling up... You seem to have more trouble beating a wiz then a wiz beating a fb so... *laughs at Belg*
I spam what I want. And thats final.
Not rly... Ive seen alot of fb's that dont need debuffs, and some that even get worse with the debuffs...

The only reason I execration a wiz who hold a legacy is because I know he will try to escape when his hp gets dangerously low.
For guardian title users who come at you trying to finish you when you run away they're quite the troublesome fellah since if I fail I probly won't be able to defend myself... But well most of the time if they were low hp or medium I will debuff and see who dies first ;-) if i'm down to it.

Try beating a bringer in 1 vs 1 without debuffs :) and let me laugh at ya... Without debuff you don't stand a chance at all and you will most likely run away in fear or die like a good soldier.

The only reason I don't debuff most of the time is because if I do so I don't even get the chance to land a hit on the target/targets. To score and get titles you can't be the support class. Beside I keep my debuffs for important moments ( such as hunting my preys ) or when i'm being chased.
I do help/defend builders/partymates when & if I happen to be around but Why should I baby sit ? because i'm a FB?. Why do I bear the title BRINGER ? To stay in the back defend and build? I don't think so.
All the stats I get are meant to lead our nation as a primary tanker and get into the melee action among the firsts in line.
I'm a melee before all but i'm the only melee who will kiss the floor 100% during that time. All the other 3 melee classes have 45 secs ( instant immunity)- 1min of pure fun/invincibility( Art Of Defense without any nerf on dmg )/total rape.
I will stand there helpless stunned/knockedback/knockeddown or happy to play with my abyssal crystal every 5 secs while being raped by ranged classes + a few melees.WOW Nice...

I think noone get the point.
We, as FB, bear LOWEST HP,LOWEST DEFENSE, second lowest atk,second highest DEFENSE RATE/second highest ATTACK RATE without any mean to defend ourself while all other melee does. IS THAT FAIR ?
Shall we whine or make FB unpopular by not playing it so it's like the FS class as in being totally OVER-POWERED/total BullS**t class now? I dunno.
The problem is that to FIGHT ON PAR with all other classs we need to debuff every 20 secs Hard Luck :). Thats 4 secs least gone ( 2 to debuff, 2 to have combo bar appearing & press the skill in combo ) every 20 secs. Meanwhile we do that we can get stunned/kded/kdowned.
Anyway, seeing a FB played/being owned by one and knowing what it is really playing one when you are in TG 150-170 vs other classes are 2 different things.
But all of you who think we are OP and are rerolling one all I can say is go to the end of it ( 170 fully geared ) and witness REALITY.

Masquarade

18-09-2009, 14:08

Monstermutch

18-09-2009, 14:15

D:

i think WA/WI/FS are on the top, then come FB/FA/BL ^^

what oO BL and FA no OP

BL are awesome for solo boss / dongeon/ rez killer
FA Can solo eod2 at 150
lul
its more
WA / BL
WI / FA / FS
FB / FS

And anyway2 , i think it's something so much fun to unmove someone u whana kill, that this class deserve that i play it xD

yeah ofc FB are the MOST funny class :D

And anyway, i don't think you have the lower defense IG.

we have the lower melee defense

btw : c'est fun de voir 3 fr débattre en anglais :o

NightShade

18-09-2009, 14:16

Go play any other melee class WA/BL/FS up to lvl 150+ THEN play FB up to 150+ ( with all the same gear regarding adjustments with the weapons). You will see a world of difference...
You can do it the other way around start by FB then go the other melee. The result will be the same I guarantee you :).

Wi don't whine much because they got all they need and are a MUST in party for dungeons for smooth runs in tough dungeons. They got also the awesome buff spirit intension for TG it's the one i want without hesitation anytime. I could care less about morale/fury/vital force/forceincrease/SP/Shadow Shield if I had to pick only one among all those.

Reroll and enjoy when you get to TG 150+ trying rooting guardians title users :) and behold "You can not cast the same type of buffs blabla" aka Fail*xx.
By the time you get there everyone will come closer to rank 16 or close to it for those who don't have any title :P. Beside by the mere fact you will be low 15x lvl your execration will fail a lot more on them due to lvl gap except if you target bringers without any pet resist unmovable in slot.

The only reason I execration a wiz who hold a legacy is because I know he will try to escape when his hp gets dangerously low.
For guardian title users who come at you trying to finish you when you run away they're quite the troublesome fellah since if I fail I probly won't be able to defend myself... But well most of the time if they were low hp or medium I will debuff and see who dies first ;-) if i'm down to it.

Try beating a bringer in 1 vs 1 without debuffs :) and let me laugh at ya... Without debuff you don't stand a chance at all and you will most likely run away in fear or die like a good soldier.

The only reason I don't debuff most of the time is because if I do so I don't even get the chance to land a hit on the target/targets. To score and get titles you can't be the support class. Beside I keep my debuffs for important moments ( such as hunting my preys ) or when i'm being chased.
I do help/defend builders/partymates when & if I happen to be around but Why should I baby sit ? because i'm a FB?. Why do I bear the title BRINGER ? To stay in the back defend and build? I don't think so.
All the stats I get are meant to lead our nation as a primary tanker and get into the melee action among the firsts in line.
I'm a melee before all but i'm the only melee who will kiss the floor 100% during that time. All the other 3 melee classes have 45 secs ( instant immunity)- 1min of pure fun/invincibility( Art Of Defense without any nerf on dmg )/total rape.
I will stand there helpless stunned/knockedback/knockeddown or happy to play with my abyssal crystal every 5 secs while being raped by ranged classes + a few melees.WOW Nice...

I think noone get the point.
We, as FB, bear LOWEST HP,LOWEST DEFENSE, second lowest atk,second highest DEFENSE RATE/second highest ATTACK RATE without any mean to defend ourself while all other melee does. IS THAT FAIR ?
Shall we whine or make FB unpopular by not playing it so it's like the FS class as in being totally OVER-POWERED/total BullS**t class now? I dunno.
The problem is that to FIGHT ON PAR with all other classs we need to debuff every 20 secs Hard Luck :). Thats 4 secs least gone ( 2 to debuff, 2 to have combo bar appearing & press the skill in combo ) every 20 secs. Meanwhile we do that we can get stunned/kded/kdowned.
Anyway, seeing a FB played/being owned by one and knowing what it is really playing one when you are in TG 150-170 vs other classes are 2 different things.
But all of you who think we are OP and are rerolling one all I can say is go to the end of it ( 170 fully geared ) and witness REALITY.

I used to flame Satifaction for saying that 'FB suck' 'FB this' 'FB that' when I used to play my own FB and guess what ... in the end, he was hell of a right. Thus, I completely understand and appreciate what you are writing in here, because from my own sad experience at higher levels reality struck me harder and harder. Still, I would never exchange FB for FS, because they in my eyes are clearly worse in everything but TG (jewel amongst garbage, to put it mildly).

The way I see it now, classes like BL, WA, WI and FA are most of the time pretty stand-alone and good choice for main character, while FB and FS are 'specialist' (not 'support') classes, which do fine in few areas, have unique gameplay attached to them, but simply fail in the long run versus other classes - they weren't meant for a 'rat race to the top', as it seems ... and both are pve fail compared to the rest.

Belg

18-09-2009, 14:28

Why waste time lvling up... You seem to have more trouble beating a wiz then a wiz beating a fb so... *laughs at Belg*

I spam what I want. And thats final.

Not rly... Ive seen alot of fb's that dont need debuffs, and some that even get worse with the debuffs...

ofcourse you spamm what you want and i dont have allot of trouble beating wizzies dunno where u got that id, well "wasting" your time lvling up can be quite usefull because then you would learn how real players play and not only low lvl's like urself, you can spamm here all you want thats right i cant stop you, but the words you write dont make sence cause of your low experience in the game, so actually its kinda pointless, but go ahead and waste your time if u want to ... just know that your not making yourself stronger and your not making anybody else weaker like you intented to.

Belg

18-09-2009, 14:33

I used to flame Satifaction for saying that 'FB suck' 'FB this' 'FB that' when I used to play my own FB and guess what ... in the end, he was hell of a right. Thus, I completely understand and appreciate what you are writing in here, because from my own sad experience at higher levels reality struck me harder and harder. Still, I would never exchange FB for FS, because they in my eyes are clearly worse in everything but TG (jewel amongst garbage, to put it mildly).

The way I see it now, classes like BL, WA, WI and FA are most of the time pretty stand-alone and good choice for main character, while FB and FS are 'specialist' (not 'support') classes, which do fine in few areas, have unique gameplay attached to them, but simply fail in the long run versus other classes - they weren't meant for a 'rat race to the top', as it seems ... and both are pve fail compared to the rest.

everything depends on your own gameplay, preferences and character build, i never had any regrets of making a fb and never rly got owned by somebody at the same lvl/cash situation as for pve that wont even matter that much in high lvl so i dont know why ur saying that fb is failing at higher lvl ... we are able to solo enough challenges to make money and raise to the next challenge so i dont see a reason to whine about the diffrences in classes

Masquarade

18-09-2009, 14:42

what oO BL and FA no OP

BL are awesome for solo boss / dongeon/ rez killer
FA Can solo eod2 at 150
lul
its more
WA / BL
WI / FA / FS
FB / FS

i said just before you quote this sentence, that there are no OP class ^^
except for WA , and i said "Maybe"

i was talking about general point of view of how strong are class in TG ^^

And i am only talking about TG ^^

ZDestiny

18-09-2009, 14:51

First of all, clap clap to Zoom and his nice essay regarding FB compared to all other classes/obstacles we encounter.
As it seems.. alot players just don't accept the fact that FB don't have much survivability without debuffs, because all buffs so far are standard buffs that any other class got. While other melee got high regen, pt buffs, hp buffs, def buffs etc.

@ Masquarade

U should be able to re-call the old days in TG2, Either ur Wi or my Wa always ranked first place (and 1 FS guy) no one else of any other class simply couldn't do better then both of us. As for FB the first..ranked one was probably rank 50-60. (as TG2 is very easy compared to TG3) For FB to dish out serious dmg they use debuffs, not that they will match the power of Wa, BL or FS (Wi in BM2) because they are simply more powerfull then FB can become. (If u don't remember my forum name here, check profile u know who I am)

As the test with my FB in TG2 lvl 14x, I never reached rank 1 because its simply impossible, no matter how hard I try. There always is 1 or 2 FS + a Wa that hit more score. While I ranked best third, and having 2 FS above me with a 80 score diff in avarage gear compared to my FB set.

Nerf execration, but give 50% longer duration hardluck with same cooltime as those ep1 debuffs would rock in TG. As some of the FB players use execration when they need, and not just spam it everywhere hardluck powerup would come in handy instead.

Regards,

Zoom

18-09-2009, 14:55

D:

i reroll for fun D:

the point is, that you're cap, and i can say to you, when you hit me in bm + aura, you can do more dmg that a crushing blow blader. So pleaz don't tell me FB sucks XD

each char as his + and - characteristic

i think WA/WI/FS are on the top, then come FB/FA/BL ^^

But i need lvl 170 WI first to judge anything yet :)

FB are strong... i really think it, and i am not saying they are OP, there are no OP class (maybe WA, cause they have everything for them, party buff, debuff, buff, dmg, defense, resist knock etc etc.)

And anyway, i don't think you have the lower defense IG.
And anyway2 , i think it's something so much fun to unmove someone u whana kill, that this class deserve that i play it xD

in TG, we are looking for what we do like.
For me it's killing people! many people! and people that i can see the name when they are low hp XD

So FB will be awesome, to unmove the guy, and powned it! :D

Because I combo, because i'm bringer and because I most likely am in BM1+AURA+Legacy ofc I will do more dmg than a crushing blow :O which can't exist with legacy. Beside I debuff you also most of the time =). Get a field of fear on ur *** before the crushing blow or a panic cry and behold the dmg also lol. Beside crushing blow is instant hit my cp is 3 secs.

Actually your ranking of classes for TG is quite exact except that actually FA/FB/BL are on the same lvl aka they can score as much one to each other.
So normally it's like this :
1st players in TG are WA/FS/WI more or less on equal score with minor points difference
Rest with 30 points lower at least except for few exceptions is BL/FA/FB. ( ~same score depending who got more lucky ).
I don't have the lowest defense IG I have the lowest DEFENSE AMONG MELEES without any op side.( average or lowest all ./GG ). No stats on top but few at the bottom and no means to defend myself.
Like I said FoExec or Exec will fail a lot until you lvl up your FB to the max but U will see that sooner or later. And when every player is rank 16 least then your debuff will be a joke :) even for people without guardian title. Actualyl the only one who will be raped by debuff is still gonna be FB forever~ if nothing is given to us as a general mean to escape.

Beside if you wanna kill more and more people you already play the class for it =) and You will get less points ( kills wise ) when you will switch to fb. Anyway keep dreaming for now it's ok.

Masquarade

18-09-2009, 15:07

i am not saying are made to be first, i am saying they are STRONG

whats wrong with you guys? xD

And yes i remember that time sparda ^^ (ofc i know you forum account :p)
it was paradize xD

But believe me or not. when i went to lvl 150+ , ok i was guardian at first week at lvl 150. But it was much more hard. and i had to change my way to play.

lvl 140+ i was tanking 20+ cap.
lvl 150+ it's hard for me to tank 5+ cap (i mean in bm2 ofc ^^) and i am lvl 167 now...

Some FB (most of guardian FB), like i said crit me easyly 1/2 of my HP, so i am sorry, but i can't say they are not strong ^^

but i think, at least you're right.

because when i see Blase, allmost allways first, and keekina style... or sandintheass/shatan
these 3 class stays the best for being FIRST. like i said just above ^^

anyway... i said what i whanted to say ^^

and i agree perfectly the way of "nerfing" execretion skill from sparda.
i don't care the duration, i care the cool time!

hf ^^

ZDestiny

18-09-2009, 15:29

and i agree perfectly the way of "nerfing" execretion skill from sparda.
i don't care the duration, i care the cool time!

hf ^^

I didn't say add more duration for execration. If execration needs to be nerfed I would like to have something else as trade. Example like a Hardluck debuff with a cooltime as 0.9 (ct of lvl 20 ep1 debuff right? haven't been playing cabal kinda forget all stats ;)). Then with 50% more duration on hardluck and faster spamming ability.. 40 sec duration 0.9 ct, then make groups who debuff what class x) andofc everyone save execration when u rly need to use it.. (in TG only ofc as this is about TG)

soulmc888

18-09-2009, 15:54

go lvl to 150+ and get GUARDIAN TITLE ffs .... 60% resist ... wiz guardians are a pain in the ***, but plz stop spamming this thread if you dont have enough experience to counter other classes sufficiantly

u are all saying "go lv 150+ and get title"...wars begin from lv 52 dont forget it, even if trans rank is from lv 100+ its 50 lvs..why a level 100+ MUST reach lv 50 to have fun? (this is what u are saying), ur/the problem is not 150+ or not.

FahrenheitPT

19-09-2009, 00:19

I'm agreeing with all Zoom has been saying.

I must say, though, that people get the wrong idea about FBs cuz in the early levels FBs are indeed strong but as we get closer to the late levels FBs get behind other classes. There are a lot of things i could point out that we lack comparing to other classes but Zoom has already cover the most of it.

But the thing that annoys me the most, as stated before, is to have to break my combo every 4 skills because the boss needs to be debuffed. I get the "omg debuff the boss all the time" and i can't even finish the combo cuz of that. Annoying.

Belg

19-09-2009, 01:02

u are all saying "go lv 150+ and get title"...wars begin from lv 52 dont forget it, even if trans rank is from lv 100+ its 50 lvs..why a level 100+ MUST reach lv 50 to have fun? (this is what u are saying), ur/the problem is not 150+ or not.

ok ur not making any sence at all atm but whatever, just think about this : lvling yourself/putting a goal for yourself or making another character weaker to achieve the same goal...

nex

19-09-2009, 01:26

Anquietas

19-09-2009, 08:12

u are all saying "go lv 150+ and get title"...wars begin from lv 52 dont forget it, even if trans rank is from lv 100+ its 50 lvs..why a level 100+ MUST reach lv 50 to have fun? (this is what u are saying), ur/the problem is not 150+ or not.

The high level war is the one that decides nation bonuses - therefore it's the only one experienced players value. You can have fun any way you like, it's not for others to say. If you want to play in the lower TGs ot TdB then that's your choice, not theirs.

ragnarokpt

19-09-2009, 14:28

ofcourse you spamm what you want and i dont have allot of trouble beating wizzies dunno where u got that id, well "wasting" your time lvling up can be quite usefull because then you would learn how real players play and not only low lvl's like urself, you can spamm here all you want thats right i cant stop you, but the words you write dont make sence cause of your low experience in the game, so actually its kinda pointless, but go ahead and waste your time if u want to ... just know that your not making yourself stronger and your not making anybody else weaker like you intented to.

Low lvls? For your information I have 3 chars... 2 lvl141 and this wi at 110, and if you find for example lvl141 or even 149 to be low just because I cant enter TG, then you couldnt be wronger then you already are... For 1, I dont really care about TG, since its one hell of a buggy feature in the game. You can barely walk, you get magically hit by people (either hackers or just bugs), and for 2, id rather get fully debuffed in chan24 all the time then on TG, as there arent problems in fighting other people, no1 has disadvantages or advantages and you dont waste money to enter it.

But whatever... If not being 150 is low experience, then you've went through 149 levels being a noob...

In the end, I dont give a dam, since it doesnt gets much more fun or worse after 140...

The high level war is the one that decides nation bonuses - therefore it's the only one experienced players value. You can have fun any way you like, it's not for others to say. If you want to play in the lower TGs ot TdB then that's your choice, not theirs.
Because 10% more exp/skill/droprate + some warps is totally only worth levling up <.<

ok ur not making any sence at all atm but whatever, just think about this : lvling yourself/putting a goal for yourself or making another character weaker to achieve the same goal...

Maybe because in this game it isnt really worth being a very high level, as it gets boring, you end up wasting money in dungeons, while on the other, you try out different characters, different play styles and actually have more fun probably

bseth

19-09-2009, 21:49

selfish people wanting more cdtime for exe... *-*
this thread and ur posts make no sense at all, just to get out ur anger..... soooo>.> quit?

Mazee

07-01-2010, 14:23

U are just jealous <3 d-buffs :P

Solem

07-01-2010, 14:42

Last post over 3 months ago lol.

evalduxxxxxxxx

07-01-2010, 16:35

FS has nerfed AoD in tg, why can't FB have nerfed root.

Solem

07-01-2010, 18:05

Why WA and WI can't have nerfed BMs and all buffs then?

leetzoR

07-01-2010, 18:31

Why WA and WI can't have nerfed BMs and all buffs then?

wi has nerfed bm2, kthxbyeeeee

Mesko89

07-01-2010, 19:03

FS has nerfed AoD in tg, why can't FB have nerfed root.

How nerfed? U mean cooltime exist even if u die?

One fun thing is that our FoExe is limited to 4 ppl only ... When u get in crowd u just cast AoD (GodMode) and u are saved for 1 minute. We cast FoExe 4 ppl get roted other 8 hunt us down :P

leetzoR

08-01-2010, 00:58

How nerfed? U mean cooltime exist even if u die?

One fun thing is that our FoExe is limited to 4 ppl only ... When u get in crowd u just cast AoD (GodMode) and u are saved for 1 minute. We cast FoExe 4 ppl get roted other 8 hunt us down :P

shorter range of skills while ure in aod on tg.

LastHour

08-01-2010, 03:57

shorter range of skills while ure in aod on tg.

Ahh so it puts the MELEE in FS :3. About field root it is a quite cheap tactic, especially when put with field enervation. Idk about your server but it might be glitched on ours as most of us get hp reductions near 50-55%, thats way too frickin OP when you can put the unmoveable on top of it. Should work like it does in reg PvP, dunno why it gets super bonus for TG. I play my friends fb and i often field root a group + field enervation while my FA friend sits nicely out of their range with his guns and takes them down.

Mesko89

08-01-2010, 07:54

If FoEne works ... when i get it i can stil heal over the limit of FoEne Or it still works or is just my panic? :(
http://www.shrani.si/t/1x/Z8/vnWBPbe/cabalver1306-100104-1220.jpg (http://www.shrani.si/?1x/Z8/vnWBPbe/cabalver1306-100104-1220.jpg)

knightsaround

08-01-2010, 12:11

some bringer wiz: Oh my god, i'm a bringer !!! I dun like being bind and getting ganged banged. So i have to tell EST to nerf your bind so that you cannot bind me almost 24/7.

some fb: why can't i bind you everytime i see you?

some bringer wiz: so that i can own you and i can run when a gangbang is coming.

some fb: why you must pown me and i can't pown you?

some bringer wiz : because things that i can't pawn is lame and those things must be nerfed.

-10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00 to TS

dedantemon

08-01-2010, 12:31

Ahh so it puts the MELEE in FS :3. About field root it is a quite cheap tactic, especially when put with field enervation. Idk about your server but it might be glitched on ours as most of us get hp reductions near 50-55%, thats way too frickin OP when you can put the unmoveable on top of it. Should work like it does in reg PvP, dunno why it gets super bonus for TG. I play my friends fb and i often field root a group + field enervation while my FA friend sits nicely out of their range with his guns and takes them down.

Because in TG, HP is x5, enervation takes HP, so it is augmented x 5.
So normaly it should take around 10% of your HP, but because of x5, it takes 50%.

Solem

08-01-2010, 16:05

Still, **** from fb and nerf wi instead :P

LastHour

08-01-2010, 23:17

Because in TG, HP is x5, enervation takes HP, so it is augmented x 5.
So normaly it should take around 10% of your HP, but because of x5, it takes 50%.

I did the test long ago and its over x5 ;<. Its actually around 55% of your hp or something like 7x what it normally is. Its too OP in TG imo, halving the hp of your opponent in a place where every1 has x5 is simply insane. Casting it alone means some people can kill those people in ONE shot now [especially wiz ;<], not to mention when field root is stacked on it. I abuse the combo myself I admit :3, but I have to say its just too strong and should reduce more around 25% of the hp or make it so that the field root can't be done on top of it [but normal root can be].

KillinEye

09-01-2010, 09:34

Because in TG, HP is x5, enervation takes HP, so it is augmented x 5.
So normaly it should take around 10% of your HP, but because of x5, it takes 50%.

The 10% is also applying on the x5hp
So this debuff got 10% normally=(should be)10% in TG, but they give it 50% in TG???

Mesko89

09-01-2010, 10:35

If it takes u ... In this screenshot i got FoEne and my MAX HP goeas from 15000 to 9000. And in this screenshot i have 12kHP instead of 9k HP maximum?

If FoEne works ... when i get it i can stil heal over the limit of FoEne Or it still works or is just my panic? :(
http://www.shrani.si/t/1x/Z8/vnWBPbe/cabalver1306-100104-1220.jpg (http://www.shrani.si/?1x/Z8/vnWBPbe/cabalver1306-100104-1220.jpg)

shaeply

09-01-2010, 11:06

dedantemon

09-01-2010, 11:17

The 10% is also applying on the x5hp
So this debuff got 10% normally=(should be)10% in TG, but they give it 50% in TG???

Yes, it is further augmented.

Anyway, by the time the cast time of FoEne is over, they die ...
Better is amp/atk boost buff.

LastHour

09-01-2010, 11:26

-1

if you want nerf fb unmov+enervation, first you have to:

nerf bl bm2 (if fb dont give him unmov, fb will 100% die)
nerf wa hp amount (if fb dont give enervation, only wa will survive)
and without unmov+darkness fb will be dead during waiting cooltime of force kick(fa, wi)

without this additional changes it would be impossible to play with fb without unmov on tg

BL bm2 has immunity so how is that an argument? You won't root most bl bm2s regardless. Nerfing bl bm2 is a joke, its vastly over rated in what its actually capable of. I dont agree completely with the thread starter but all FBs ever seem to do is q.q about this and this when the past set of updates have only strengthened them and at 170 theyre already the strongest thing walking period. [With decent gear as its required of any class to be good, cept mb wa :3] As with any class, if you can't master its style its not the game designers fault but you just need to find the class that does suit your style. Its quite common among people that the first thing they pick isn't what theyre actually best at.

shaeply

09-01-2010, 11:52

BL bm2 has immunity so how is that an argument? You won't root most bl bm2s regardless. Nerfing bl bm2 is a joke ... and at 170 theyre already the strongest thing walking period. [With decent gear as its required of any class to be good, cept mb wa :3]

i am not bl, i dont know what imunity bl has. i write what i think.
Nerfing FB is joke.
"170lvl fb in good gear is the best". how is that an argument? in eu we have 5 170lvl good gearded fbs and 50000 bad gearded 1-169 fbs.

LastHour

09-01-2010, 12:51

i am not bl, i dont know what imunity bl has. i write what i think.
Nerfing FB is joke.
"170lvl fb in good gear is the best". how is that an argument? in eu we have 5 170lvl good gearded fbs and 50000 bad gearded 1-169 fbs.

A classes potential has nothing to do with whether or not every user hits it. The point is once someone does if nothing can beat you and your walking around pretty much unbeatable how can you say not to nerf it? FBs endgame potential is what needs to be nerfed and not its path to getting there, never argued for such a thing. Easiest way would be less stat bonuses on higher end rankups or something of the sort that only effects its maximum potential and not making the trek there more difficult than it is.

An inbalance in potential always causes many frustrating things. If endgame potentials aren't balanced than there is no gear or skill users can provide to counter it much unlike bl/wa bm2 in which I find ease in countering unless I'm already really low hp. Its not entirely fair to make the power of one class out of reach for everyone else regardless of what effort they put forth.

Blader and WA have a skill called instant immunity in which if you try to root them during this buff it will not work along with all other skill effects. If you don't even know what immunity is I seriously question your knowledge of the game.

dedantemon

09-01-2010, 16:09

LastHour

09-01-2010, 22:59

WI, FB are much alike.

These classes show true potential in end-game activity.
WI with imba BM2, FB with debuffs, Bm's.
Heck, best duo party for dmg dealing I know is WI+FB.

You can also watch the Cabal trailer from 2006 or so, where they pictured FB and Wi joining forces xD

WI is a good dmg dealer but it can't take aggro or knockbacks unfortunately. Learned some interesting things about WI bm2. "Dual caster" becomes "single caster" after any other combat action but spells. If you blink/dash/fade or get knockbacked or downed, you will only be able to cast 1 spell on your next attack before being allowed to cast 2 again. Without guardian title in TG it can be hard to have an effective bm2 :/. Luckily only forbidden island gives wi bm2 headaches, other than that it does have amazing dmg output in PvE, especially with fb or wa :P. Always like wiz bm2 just to ensure to have some hard hitting power skills for bosses for the team.

llSunShinell

10-01-2010, 00:02

wow what a noob that nex is
i got Bringer i wonder why u get so pissed about the unmovable? maybe u wanna pass as fast as possible the enemy and kil some guardians or base without getting cought? and if ur there and about to die?u wanna also blink peacfully away without being killed?

if there werent any fb what couldnt unmovable then i see an invasion wi blinking everywhere to the Gaurdians /base with there own Wi party and can easly stay bm2 for ever

what a low noobs get those titels
those noobs who get always the titels are the noobs who cant win TG and only play Solo or with a friend pt who does the same -.-

plz nex go buy some brain and stop Whining or Crying
kthnxbb