Daikatana

[bloodkanevamp]

Hello i'am all new to this game, and i have been lookin at some 'Warrior' movies...
And in all of them i see 'warriors' with Great swords never thoose Daikatana's?

So im just wondering since i like Katana blades. Is the Daikatana a bad choice to go for when creating a ´Warrior´

Excuse my spelling and if a matching post has already been made i did not find it, so i made my own..

Best regards Kane... :thrasher:

[owned125]

well its what you think looks beter i see no diference you only loose some atack for going daikatana but gain hitrate if your gonna pvp your gonna combo anyway so no miss so no point in hit rate??

[Vane]

Diakatana Owns - wouldnt use anything else.

I have levelled a Srt warrior to 151 on Mars, and a balanced warrior Str/Dex to 144 on Jupiter. The str warrior is gimped to say the least when it comes to leveling.

Also you will find in big battles that comboing isn't used as much as you would think and the extra hit rate and miss rate you get from the dex boost is welcome.

So unless your only interest is duels go diakatana and build a balanced character.

[bloodkanevamp]

Oka, thank you both for your rpelys ^^ helped me alot ..

Thanks

Regards Kane.

[SiliconShadow]

If you want a wa for lvling and for tanking:

Actually I would go str wa and use reflex instead of def sense.

The extra attack helps in keeping agro on bosses, which is your main job as a tank.

Also the def loss is nothing in pvp / cvc but the def rate increase is better.

It is a common misconception a wa has to be all defence, he can get that from his armours he doesnt need def sense infact he is alot stronger without it.

[Yuvielq]

i've got one nooby question - just to make sure i understood it well -
by saying "balanced warrior" u mean a warrior with the same str & dex??
that feels kinda unusual ;P but i got tired of my fb - and lot of skilling, and started playing warrior few days ago. i'm lvl 31 now, but do not know for sure which weapon to use... plz tell what u mean by this "balanced warrior" and i think i will stick to this idea :D

[XenodragoonE]

theres no difference with the attack ,mainly. most ppls take what they get, better enchants wins, so its random if daika or gs. i prefer the look of daikatana, but when theres an IMBA enchant or craft in gs i would use it too.

[Cabal04]

:clap3::clap3: daika looks best on female warriors :clap3:
and gs for male warrior as they normally put it over their head

[Yuvielq]

well i don't care as much about the looks, and not as much about the choice of weapon itself(but i prefer GS if somebody asks :P, only redosmium daikatana rulzzz :D), but i'm interested in how to put my stat points :P
is this balanced warrior (equal str/dex??) really better than str build?? <---- this is the main question :D

[zolika]

If u prefer GS then imo 140-150 dex enough put all other points to str i have 880 str atm 62 int and 149 dex.

I like DK too but i changed to GS because of the enchant :)

[TheThink]

GS is better for 2 point :
1 - few more attack on the weapon itself
2 - less required stat in dex, sooo more str, sooo more atk and def

Daika isnt very good :
1 - you lose few atk point by the weapon itself
2 - you need lot's of dex, so less str, soo again less atk and less def

Just to remind you, on a warrior str give lots of atk and def while dex give few atk/def but hitrate defrate which are from my point of view totaly useless for a warrior

ppl with daika, use thoses only because they have a good crafted or enchanted sword, but if they could get the exact same one in gs, 99% of them would go for the gs one...

in a word :
GS for offensive build or defensive build based on def

daika for deffensive build based on def rate

no word about hit rate as i combo all the time everywhere in every situation even in war

[kirmaster]

def rate is the only reason you could go dai. or a good offer on a dai you get. After trans def rate upgrade you dont need the def rate the dex offers:P

[XenodragoonE]

i changed few times from dex to pure strenght for a gs for a test. my max loss of attack was 10 points, after doing this. thats not a really a difference, but at mithril i would really prefer gs.

[TheThink]

it's not only about atak but def too...
and it's not only 10 point but more and add the diff between daika and gs atak too... so in the end it could mean a lots

i dont care about style of weapon or armur, i only care about stats

[Alexi Laiho]

Take a look at stat raise,I dont remember the numbers ecxactly,with Str,u'll have more Atk,just more Atk a little bit than Dex.The Def u have is the same if put all to Str or Dex,the more Dex the more Hit rate,and a little Def rate u'll have.But a War,Def rate is not important cause their Armors have low def rate,and the stat raise Def rate very low each point to Dex!Put all stat point to Str!

[XenodragoonE]

thats what i do. it is not that i do a dex warrior or something. i just rise my dex to the min. for my sword, rest is pure str. but anyways yu need a minimum of 111 dex for beeing able to wear osmium armor +6, thats what i meant. 111 - 167 dex isnt a great difference to your attack. for my martial gloves with amp i need 157 dex, so its no loss for me. sometimes yu cant choose if yu go pure str or not.

[TheThink]

Take a look at stat raise,I dont remember the numbers ecxactly,with Str,u'll have more Atk,just more Atk a little bit than Dex.The Def u have is the same if put all to Str or Dex,the more Dex the more Hit rate,and a little Def rate u'll have.But a War,Def rate is not important cause their Armors have low def rate,and the stat raise Def rate very low each point to Dex!Put all stat point to Str!

Im sry to disagree... str give more def than dex... i tried by myself, if you check in the old post and tutos made before...
i made 3 char warrior, all lvl20, from lvl0 to lvl20 i putted all point in str for one, all in dex for the other one and all in int for the other one, then i could know the bonus in every single stat that give str, and dex, and int... i also tried at high lvl and it's the exact same bonus... and to let you know, str give more atk and def than dex!

And for my char i choosed to go the most offensive i can, so i take all the atak, amp, rate, dmg i can, any single point is important for me...to max the offensive stat of my char...
like wearing martial when u are warrior is a waste, in def on the item and in stats for the requirement...

[XenodragoonE]

like wearing martial when u are warrior is a waste, in def on the item and in stats for the requirement...

not if its titanium or lower. def ok... but who needs def. i didnt find any titanium armorgloves amp so martial gloves was best i could take next to armor. but i didnt have a loss cuz i need dex for osm armor +6/7 and mithril later too, and my sword needs 167 dex, i will not chnage my sword for a long time i think.

[Kapa]

Warrior | Str | Int | Dex | HP | MP |
-----------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
Base Stats | 24 | 3 | 8 | 50 | 20 |
-----------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
Atk | 0.3 | -- | 0.2 | -- | -- |
Magic | 0.1 | 0.3 | 0.1 | -- | -- |
Def |0.143| -- |0.143| -- | -- |
Hit Rate | 0.4 | 0.4 |1.75 | -- | -- |
Def Rate | 0.2 | 0.1 | 1 | -- | -- |

[TheThink]

@kapa

I'll try to find my test in the old post (maybe it was on old forum), to check again, but i'm 99% sure that i found str give more def than dex...

Well, my bad, i have a bad memory , str and dex give same def...(thanks jeff to remind me that) anyway it's still a waste of atk point... that u can't waste while on are on a crit build coz it's hard to get atk point when u manage the priority on crit rate and crit dmg...so it's kind of a luxe to waste stats point in useless dex and lose even few point of atk

[XenodragoonE]

anyways dunno how its at yu, but defrate is more important at warrior than def, because def yu can almost get more than enough from armorparts. lets take vc as an example. if yu go there with imba def, but max 1800 defrate, yu will almost get 1 hit at trying to kill more wizzard mobs than 1 at ones (many wizzy mobs + wizz boss together = your dead with low defrate). another example is mf, with low defrate yu cant solo there 3-5 mobs long. just a tip ;).

[TheThink]

hey oh wake up !!
you are a warrior, def rate suxx on warrior, so it's not few dex point which will help... u'll still have a crapy def rate, and check solo dungeon time, u'll see i have no trouble to run vc and rush on boss with a crapy def rate... if you want to have a char based on def rate and stuff like that go for a blader...
and in mf it's not the def rate which save your ***, but the way you play, the skill you use, the knokdown skill you will use in the right time on the right mob...

So if you wanna make all the new warrior go in dex build and based on def rate which will suxx then go for it...but i'm 100% disagree ... warrior is a class based on def, it's a tank... not like blader...

[XenodragoonE]

hey oh wake up !!
you are a warrior, def rate suxx on warrior, so it's not few dex point which will help... u'll still have a crapy def rate, and check solo dungeon time, u'll see i have no trouble to run vc and rush on boss with a crapy def rate... if you want to have a char based on def rate and stuff like that go for a blader...
and in mf it's not the def rate which save your ***, but the way you play, the skill you use, the knokdown skill you will use in the right time on the right mob...

So if you wanna make all the new warrior go in dex build and based on def rate which will suxx then go for it...but i'm 100% disagree ... warrior is a class based on def, it's a tank... not like blader...

yes dex builded warrior sux, i know that, thats why i only changed upgrade for more defrate. vc was an example, it was not causing yu , but other players at lower lvls often discussed about, why vc is so hard <.< (its not hard). and about mf, i used 3 knocks in 1 combo run, when i had only 1700 defrate i didnt survive there long at tanking some ectoleafs and brannys at same time. now: same combo, 2500 - 2700 defrate, no prob with tanking, and didnt rise my dex for it ... just 1 defrate upgrade more, and some high armor equip.

btw: try soloing ft or tanking few mobs at once in area 4 pf, yu will know what i mean with crappy defrate.

[TheThink]

I wasnt talking about dex builded warrior, but DEF RATE WARRIOR SUXXXX!!!

anyway continue this way fooling the new warrior mind... it will just end up in a bit more ppl which dont know what they do with their class and gonna be easier to own them in mass pvp...

[XenodragoonE]

what sux in adding 500+ defrate for a loss of 34 def lol. 34 less def = end for warrior omg!

back to topic.

[TheThink]

what sux in adding 500+ defrate for a loss of 34 def lol. 34 less def = end for warrior omg!

back to topic.

it's not about that... it's about giving wrong advice to the future warrior... and putting them on the wrong way...because if you look at teh stat, then yes GS is better for warrior than daika, whatever the size of the différence... and yes def rate is not important for warrior whatever the loss... and yes you post a lots in the forum and ppl think you are right because you post often... but they have to know that you are not trying to push them up and give them good advice... you just try to be popular by saying stuff which looks like a guide or advice but which are sometime non sens and put them in the wrong way...
I dont care about popularity, I dont care about who is the best or not, I don't care about who post the more or not... I care only about stat, and what is good to know to be a strong wa... and a good wa... the few things that any warrior have to know is :

if you want to own in duel (1v1 without pot) :
go full hp set, battler, earring vampiric, suit and boots of will, then all the other part in full offensif and use a 1gm combo which match your dmg, not the xeno build

if you want to own in war (mass pvp) :
never stay on the same place, same ppl, same position more than 7second, you have to constantly move, and i didnt say run away, but move, and use ur ranged attack like sword canon and charge the most you can
rush on archer first, or it's already a lost coz
then rush on ranged moving all the time to make melee dont attack you while you hit the ranged
and in the end rush on melee
go full offensive, and dont try to be a hero but try to survive before all

if you want to be good in dungeon :
rush the more you can, don't care about mob, focus on boss and trigger mob, improve your technique and placement to get the minimum agro and go the most offensive in your set you can, but keep enough def to survive, whatever your def rate, whatever your lvl, it's just about technique and placement and managing your agro

if you want to be good in pve :
you have to manage the agro and the knokdown, you must keep control on your group of mob, you must use ranged skill and melee skill to control all the gruop even ranged mob. Whatever your def rate, if you keep control on your gruop with the knokdown etc, you won't die, and crit rate help more than def rate, because knokdown make a mob not hit you for like few second while def rate will always suxx for warrior, whatever you do

stat advise :
go full str, and put the min required to wear ur armor and weapon
use a gs to need less dex and put more in str
think twice before to go for mithril armor coz you'll lose lot's of str point to match the requirement...
try to stay on armor to save a more str point

in the end you should have
113dex
57int
all other point in str

stuff advise :
if you go for a crit build :
reach 45% crit rate on stuff
then max your crit dmg
then max your amp
then max your attack
then max your hp/def
you can get more bonus by using deathblow extended stuff with rate in slot... check my post about extender bonus to understand why
check which skill give the best dps for your build in the end and manage your combos for pvp/pve/duel with them taking care about the knokdown effect and that crit make mob fall too

if you go for an attack build :
max your attak
then your amp
then your hp/def
check the skill which give the best dps for your build and manage a combo with that... you will almost never crit so don't count on crit to make mob fall... your average dmg will be lower than crit build but your dmg will be constant...and on some boss with huge def, full attack build is better than crit build... (like ls boss, last boss of ft, tank and last boss of pf)

general advise :
combo all the time, whatever the situation, don't forget that your hit rate suxx and combo is faster anyway...
find skill which match your build, there is not any perfect combo than everybody can use, it have to match your build, your damage...in pvp, in pve and in duel
if you go for a crit build, focus on the crit rate first and max crit cap is 45% total on your stuff, 50% total with the class base included (tested, prouved and im 100% sure about it, maybe it will change with the unerf but atm it's like that), then go for crit dmg, but a crit build will cost you a lots of attack point, so you'll need to crit often and lots of crit dmg to compensate...so reach the 45%crit rate then put crit dmg anywhere else...


and don't think you are the one because you killed someone in duel once... duel is bullshit, it's about 3,4maybe 5skill which could crit or not...warrior is a great class when it's well played, but it doesnt come by magic... it does need practice and time...

[IceCroatia]

i have checked the stats for mithril gs and a dai and there is a big difference because mithril requires more dex and a dk by it self requires more dex and the loss is around 93 dex, which is a nice amount of str stats

[burnstalker]

+1 to Thethink, no doubt about it, no point to discuss...

[SiliconShadow]

Well i have to disagree slightly the rules of the game are changing alot.

Defence plays a big role in episode 2 it gives you more benefits than lowering numbers.

However at present the easiest way for a warrior to solo in mf / b2f etc is with reflex not def sense and packing in heavy armour.

After you have lvled to 170 gladly switch back to defence to gain your warrior bonuses back.

You will need to eventually go mythril, titanium/osmium/sg wont cut it, you will nerf resistances ;)

Attack build is now obselete with the advent of the unnerfing it is impossible to pull off, max your crit dmg and use rols since they will be 15% rate each.

Example: B2F I can pass with 800 def past both flower queens without my hp dropping less than 75% using 2600 def rate and vamparic i loose 32 def to do this.. I have the much increased survivability in MF and on bosses also which is what i have built for to get ready as fast as I can.

Also vamp earings for a melee in a duel is a bad idea, force regena re better use of your dmg / defence.

They give u same base hp + about another 16 during the fight.

If you use vamparic you must drop a ring / gloves or brace to get the absorb for teh vamparic to activate rendering its a imbalance in your apponenets favour, this for a spell caster is different there more skills / same time allows them to utilise vamparic as an advantage.

As for combo all the time, in a good party in mf you dont often have time to combo, so a skill setup that utilises this is also recomended soemthing like

ww > sword cannon > round cut with cascade break if you need it to get out fast.

And def rate does not suck in any instance, your best example of this is the all tank zoalord his ability to tank safely regardless of what spawns randomly is awsome.

Yes use knockdown with crit rate but def rate and flee rate also.

ww / cascade / rising blade / charge are good

Round cut knocks back so is good vs melee targets poor vs ranged, if I am fighting ranged i switch cascade for rolling crash to keep them down not back.

2700 hp
810 def
2260 def rate
4% flee rate
975 attack
45% crit rate
5% crit dmg
40% amp

And yes I will be changing to compensate for ep2:

123% crit dmg
45% rate
810 def (in osmium)
2260 def rate (in osmium)
940 attack
33% amp

[TheThink]

hello !!!! ^^
we are not at episode 2 yet so how can you affirm stuff... it's again still theory and supposition...

and about def rate... you don't need that.... i can tank everywhere in this game with crapy def rate without any trouble... and i was able to do that also before when i had less lvl and less stuff...
Im talking about well known stuff, tested IG, and from my point of view it's also damnit ****** to go for 45%crit rate and don't even put effort in crit dmg after that!!!!!!
btw seems it's a lost coz to discuss about that with you and xeno...

[burnstalker]

+2 to thethink..can i enter your fanclub?

[Alexi Laiho]

anyways dunno how its at yu, but defrate is more important at warrior than def, because def yu can almost get more than enough from armorparts. lets take vc as an example. if yu go there with imba def, but max 1800 defrate, yu will almost get 1 hit at trying to kill more wizzard mobs than 1 at ones (many wizzy mobs + wizz boss together = your dead with low defrate). another example is mf, with low defrate yu cant solo there 3-5 mobs long. just a tip ;).

Lolz,with War,Def rate is...really suk!
I usually enter v.c 6~7times a day!And I cleared all box,of course 2 cannons and the FA too,and sometimes i died,but never fail the v.c!I died just by LAG.

[SiliconShadow]

I use the crit rate for the crit effects on the skills and to keep agro not for the dmg really, and there is no supposition about the unnerf of the dmg that we will receive only about skill effects of the new skills thus I did not post about those.

I dont just go to survive i got to help others survive I can worry more about my party and less about myself now I take the agro and carry on take take taking it thats my role, mages are better damage dealers that is there role as well as stun, the agro.. is mine.

Btw vc I can complete in titanium its not your strength in there its where you stand and how you fight, its more of a solo thing, building for your party and being less selfish on how you play, build to take agro then see how long you survive with no def rate.

[TheThink]

my point of view :

Warrior > melee dmg dealer, even a berseker, which are here to deal dmg and kill fast, but with enough def to survive in melee

Wizard > ranged dmg dealer, which are here to deal dmg and kill fast from range

blader > melee dmg dealer, here to deal dmg but can also survive in melee with his huge def rate

FS sword > is a tank, here to tank with huge def and here to take the agro

FS magic > like wizzard

FA as a support > here to keep ppl alive, must try to stay in safe place and make ppl don't die

FA as dmg dealer > like wizzard

FB > here to help dmg dealer to deal more dmg, with his debuff

So if your way to play is by tanking and keeping the agro... you should go for a FS which is made for that...

[zolika]

@TheTink: yea sword FS maded to keep the aggro in pt, because the they can reach more than 900++ def but not in Cabal EU, everyone know that they cant deal enough dmg, only if they get uber stufff :)

[TheThink]

@TheTink: yea sword FS maded to keep the aggro in pt, because the they can reach more than 900++ def but not in Cabal EU, everyone know that they cant deal enough dmg, only if they get uber stufff :)

well my point was to say that warrior is here to be a dmg dealer not a tank...

[zolika]

well my point was to say that warrior is here to be a dmg dealer not a tank...

Yea i agree with 100% but atm its cant be, because if we go for boss or dungeon, always they WA keeps the aggro because we can deal big dmg and we can reach high def too, but there is always a fa who can heal soo where is the problem?? :)

[Gokuryu]

+1 to Think and Burnstone ... I also wanna be in your fanclub Think ;-)

[XenodragoonE]

at the think: theres something yu are missunderstanding. im not a dex warrior, i dont want to be popular and im not and at the point with the dmg dealer we have the same oppinion. with daikatana i have almost the same attack as with gs of the same type, but i never said daika is better.

but about the defrate "upgrade" i still keep my oppinion. 34 def is nothing compared to 500+ defrate more. if yu dont need defrate, then ok. it was just my experience that defrate up makes yu surviving longer at soloing at high maps mf/ pf without losing dmg. and btw i have still high hp + enough def with my build, so my build isnt so different.

[SiliconShadow]

Fs cant take the agro as well as a wa but he can defend against it better, however regardless the warriors far superior power makes monsters love him for agro.

[Noah]

well my point was to say that warrior is here to be a dmg dealer not a tank...
What are you tryin to say,coz u lost me completely..O_o

[SiliconShadow]

What char is best to stick on a boss to TANK it.. lets work this out best stats in def, hp attack.. oh yes a warrior WARRIORS ARE TANKS! FS only looks liek sherman tanks but they cant pull the agro as well as a warrior, and maintain the dmg.

500 def rate allows for easier tanking over 32 defence, I bet you havnt even tried the difference.

[Cabal04]

+1 to Think and Burnstone ... I also wanna be in your fanclub Think ;-)


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[DjSiNNeR]

i m not here to fight with anyone okay i m here only to post my opinion like Xeno i think that sacrificing defe sense for some def rates isnt that bad cuz i prefer mobs missing me more often than they hit me more even though with less dmg

[Little_B]

45 % rate and 5% crit dmg :))) =)) hahahah ihiiiiiiiii mom, come and see this ! :)))

Sorry Trance but that was hilarious :P

And about deffrate, well, it is USELESSS in my point of view , i prefer 32 deff anytime , mobs hitting me makes my game more fun , i ONLY have 1 set that is the PVP set tit and osmy all the way, and i have no prob going FT and soloing VC while smoking (weed that is xD) or B2F and i solo at ectoleaf and branny , it's hard i recognize, but i LOVE IT , this is why i play the game , ruff & tough all the way :P

no offence to anyone , but i'd feel like a pusssy if i'd go to berderk faello and hope he doesn't hit me :))

[SiliconShadow]

Well looks like yyou have no idea how to keep agro off high power wizzys do you, you need to crit alot and when you dont crit hit high.

But then again you prob couldnt tank a troglo so dunno why your laughing, best boss tank build I have found, its safest for the party and also get the job done fastest.

Btw my terra crit on berdark is 1780 maybe thats cos I amp so mych extra attack that 5% crit dmg is all I really need fro the agro and power?

fyi I also have a 20% dmg helm isntead of the 7% amp one which is also all i need in cvc.. I dont play with myself I dont need I have friends.

[Cabal04]

whats the point of having uber crit rate if u dont have crit dmg :S
and from what i see u dont have Critical Dmg Ring right

[Little_B]

But then again you prob couldnt tank a troglo


"But then again " i am not about flames, so watch it !

however you switch it , having 45 rate and 5 dmg is ... uhm ... plain dumb! :shot:

:bootyshake:

[SiliconShadow]

however you switch it , having 45 rate and 5 dmg is ... uhm ... plain dumb!
You plain dont know how the game works...

The rate is to keep agro and to cause the special skill effects liek knockdowns more often in pve -.- that is all of course i can switch it but I dont see point at moment since dmg is nerfed so hard.

It is the only way to keep the dmg off the wizzys on bosses, this had to be done as anyone at pluma will tell you how bad it goes when it moves to much.

[Cabal04]

everybody builds his warrior his own way
i dont think its a bad thing that u sacrifice defensive sense for sixth sense or reflex if u already got UBER defense and good shineguard set and like xeno who said he is more toward pve [ helps a lot ] and not pvp

like heavy bladers ? wearing armourset with good defense and having a decent def rate help them survive and in my opinion survive easier than us

so if u are only into pve and dungeon [ that is lvl 120+ xeno build would be quite appropriate]

and if u like pvp wars etc go for the Think build , u'll own in pvp war maps , but maybe find dugeons quite difficult soloing until u get uber gears [ i didnt say u could die or impossible to solo dungeons, its just like using more pots :D ]

and i think dex warriors sux [xeno isnt dex warrior , mabye he likes to see MISS above his head than a dmg like XXX even if its litte or big so its up to him :D]
so better stop your dex stat at red osm daika requirement and all goes to str in my opinion, but until i get uber shineguard stuff am staying with Denfensive Sense, mabye later i'll unlearn it for Reflex if things get harder ;)

[Little_B]

different thinking isn't better thinking ... it's just different :)

The deal is the game is playable and much more fun in my point of view only with the set of PVP :)) tell meh what am i doing wrong if i pack 42 rate and ~65 dmg instead of 5 dmg and still got like 21 amp i supose :) , i take aggro all the time , sorry, not ALL THE TIME , but...A L L T H E T I M E

[Cabal04]

Last edited by Little_B : Today at 10:29. Reason: Forgot the B in DUMB :D

:nahnah:

u seriously made me laugh with that reason for editing


ps am not daika user , i just put it on in my signature because i think its really hot on female warriors ^_^

[XenodragoonE]

167 dex is my max dex, only for beeing able to use sword. 111 i need for+ 6 osmium suit, even more for +7. and for mithril armorparts i need even more (i work on it to make me a heavy mithril set, as a defensive set, for ft solo for example). and thats not a dex warrior, i still have 929 str and some int for beeing able to wear some crafted armorparts.

and lol again. i changed 513 defrate for 34 def. so i still dont take really more dmg than before but mobs gets more misses. i dont cry about 34 def...

[Little_B]

but then again deff rate is a probabilty and deff is a certitude :D i have seen bladers die with 3000 + deffrate :)

and i loved to watch , to bad cabal ain't got replays like FIFA :))

[Cabal04]

Last edited by Little_B : Today at 11:17. Reason: I just like doing that :P :D

and i loved to watch , to bad cabal ain't got replays like FIFA :))

go post that in suggestion =)

[TheThink]

Well looks like yyou have no idea how to keep agro off high power wizzys do you, you need to crit alot and when you dont crit hit high.

But then again you prob couldnt tank a troglo so dunno why your laughing, best boss tank build I have found, its safest for the party and also get the job done fastest.

Btw my terra crit on berdark is 1780 maybe thats cos I amp so mych extra attack that 5% crit dmg is all I really need fro the agro and power?

fyi I also have a 20% dmg helm isntead of the 7% amp one which is also all i need in cvc.. I dont play with myself I dont need I have friends.

I have aboslutly NO TROUBLE to keep the agro from wizzy, even some very strong wizzy...and NO TROUBLE to survive while being a melee char on the boss...without def rate and without huge attack and with 45%crit rate...and i have lots of crit dmg and lots of amp in same time...and my AM on berdek is far over 2000 but who care... boss, pve, xp, dungeon, even duel, they are just training for the mass pvp and war...they are just a way to get the lvl, the stuff, the skills to be strong in war and mass pvp...and what does matter in mass pvp, as a warrior... your huge offensive power...

[Little_B]

+1 on that but i don't wanna be your fan :O

[burnstalker]

Why to insist when lots of ppl tell you wrong? PT your high lvl, you way of playing don't fit with middle lvl warrior so your advice lead them to a wrong buildt.
I have 3 hight lvl set (mithril slot +5, osm will (240hp suit and boot)+7, set osm of amp (+7% +5%) +7, and i always switch depends of pve, pvp (against wizz,arch, and warrior) and also change my combo according to player in front of me.
We can't really say this build is better than other..cause the game is really complex.
All you can say to a middle warrior, is to max their def and dmg by (STR) since they can't afford defferents set. May be later they can swith to def rate and gain some power in particular situation....
+3 to thethink..in war the only thing a WA can do is doing max dmg and block the ennmie line. the WA don't care to dies, he only make high dmg with their ww to help other ppl to fast kill and disturb the FA healing.

[TheThink]

+1 to burnstone ... fan club ftw XD

[Hasas]

I think the only Choise for warrior is a GreatSword cause daikatana needs more dex and str is the best stat for warrior

[XenodragoonE]

I think the only Choise for warrior is a GreatSword cause daikatana needs more dex and str is the best stat for warrior

true str is the best. but if yu find a daikatana wich is more powerful than all gs yu can find atm, yu would use it until yu dont have a more powerful gs right?

thats what i am doing atm. at mithril i will use gs anyways, but even an amp gs in mithril isnt better than my actually osmium daikatana.

[SiliconShadow]

I have aboslutly NO TROUBLE to keep the agro from wizzy, even some very strong wizzy...and NO TROUBLE to survive while being a melee char on the boss...without def rate and without huge attack and with 45%crit rate...and i have lots of crit dmg and lots of amp in same time...and my AM on berdek is far over 2000 but who care... boss, pve, xp, dungeon, even duel, they are just training for the mass pvp and war...they are just a way to get the lvl, the stuff, the skills to be strong in war and mass pvp...and what does matter in mass pvp, as a warrior... your huge offensive power...

Ide like to see you hold off the agro from cain, shard, rave, mysticgirl, nyls and unfaithfull.

I know your average dmg isnt high enough because I tried a similar build in an attempt to keep the agro, the spike dmg doesnt cut it, wizzys dont need to crit to pull the agro off you.

It doesnt work, one way to do it is to forget you need crit dmg with your rate and take amp instead just for bosses, you dont create as much dmg in the same space of time as the mages so dont even try, just keep the dmg off them.

To burnstone > Where did I say my build is better for avg play? My build I have focused on taking agro, and it works much better than anything else I have tried.

And I wil lstick to that the 500 def rate is far superior in pve that 32 defence, it takes a warrior over the cusp of being hit alot, hits go from > 75% to under 40% in lakeside and the same in b2f, they drop to about 50% in mf. So why again is 32 defence more important that 500 defence rate? Or your 2 busy thinking a warrior wears armour he doesnt need def rate, a heavy blader in osmium vs a warrior in osmium all def upgrades on the warrior def rate on blader is usual, the balder can out live the warrior he takes less dmg because he gets hit less, even the odds -32 defence +500 rate doesnt make you weaker it makes you stronger, unless all you want to do is duel all day.

ps. i have almost 1000 strength and min int / dex stats this is the only alteration for def rate I have made, I havnt gone all in dex etc for this after 150 go towards mythril for me.

[burnstalker]

To burnstone > Where did I say my build is better for avg play? My build I have focused on taking agro, and it works much better than anything else I have tried.

Where did I say YOUR build is better?
Saying YOUR or MINE build is better or best will have no sense...I take time to read carefully your post , take it for mine before answer.

[XenodragoonE]

the think, not burnstone, wanted to say his build his best^^. yes for pvp. but the think, i dont know what yu think about pve. pve isnt just rushing to bosses and kill them as fast as possible and ignore the mobs. pve is farming, i farm in dungeons thats why im not on toplists in the top dungeon times anymore (not the only reason). yes your build is very nice and personally i think the think and burn are the most powerful warriors atm. but about the defrate i have the same oppinion as pt. with highest defrate warriors could tank thousands of mobs in mf, and i saw some vids already with high defrate players, wich could even solo b2f.

and high d.rate is reachable without changing to dex- stats.

[Cabal04]

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3600/cabalver119207091719530us6.jpg
i didnt knw this thing require such dex ;)
nice
anyone knws the stat for Mitril Gs or Mitril Daikatana ?

[XenodragoonE]

daikatana needs about 180 dex, gs about 70 (not sure). but yu anyways need about 120 dex for osmium crafted +7 so wheres the difference... max for dex at a pure str wa should be almost 170, for osmium set +7, daika and mithril.
what i meant before, was that yu dont have to go for dex build for high d.rate^^.

[Cabal04]

to get high def rate u normally sacrifice the defensive sense upgrade right ?

any one got a picture of Mitril Daikatana
never saw it [ since this topic is about Daika anyway]

[Falleth]

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9284/dk07ij9.gif
Mith. Daikatana

and for comparison

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3451/mithrilgreatsworddd8.gif
Mith. GS

[XenodragoonE]

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/742/comithdaikaxe3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:dancing2:

[TranceLover]

If i wanted to get 2nd def rate upgrade for the training purposes i would get rid of the +attack upgrade (not the def one).

[SiliconShadow]

Where did I say YOUR build is better?
Saying YOUR or MINE build is better or best will have no sense...I take time to read carefully your post , take it for mine before answer.

Sorry if thats what you meant then please take care to adjoin sentances together that fit ;) Splitting up the sentance like that made it appear you descibed your set them where commenting on my post, not carrying on from the previous paragraph.

Btw I didnt drop attack because I need to keep that to keep agro, earlier in life on pt i did drop attack for all 4 def upgrades. Which I have also done on my FS.

[TheThink]

Ide like to see you hold off the agro from cain, shard, rave, mysticgirl, nyls and unfaithfull.

I know your average dmg isnt high enough because I tried a similar build in an attempt to keep the agro, the spike dmg doesnt cut it, wizzys dont need to crit to pull the agro off you.

It doesnt work, one way to do it is to forget you need crit dmg with your rate and take amp instead just for bosses, you dont create as much dmg in the same space of time as the mages so dont even try, just keep the dmg off them.

or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about but nvm!!! none care, that's not the thing i wanted to talk about... i just wanted to ask from you and xeno to give GOOD advise or at least when u give advise, please notice in your post the purpose of it, like "it's better for pve" or stuff like that...


the think, not burnstone, wanted to say his build his best^^. yes for pvp. but the think, i dont know what yu think about pve. pve isnt just rushing to bosses and kill them as fast as possible and ignore the mobs. pve is farming, i farm in dungeons thats why im not on toplists in the top dungeon times anymore (not the only reason). yes your build is very nice and personally i think the think and burn are the most powerful warriors atm. but about the defrate i have the same oppinion as pt. with highest defrate warriors could tank thousands of mobs in mf, and i saw some vids already with high defrate players, wich could even solo b2f.

and high d.rate is reachable without changing to dex- stats.

Im not sayign that my build is the best at all... im just pissed off to see pt and u giving some advise to new warrior which suxx...im sure ur advise are good for your build and stuff but they are not always good for the new warrior... or they are sometime good for a special part of the game but not an other one, like good for pve but suxxx for pvp... anyway still the same that i say just before... check just upper

[SiliconShadow]

or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about but nvm!!! none care, that's not the thing i wanted to talk about... i just wanted to ask from you and xeno to give GOOD advise or at least when u give advise, please notice in your post the purpose of it, like "it's better for pve" or stuff like that...just upper

My original post: which I think you find I did highlight the use:


Well i have to disagree slightly the rules of the game are changing alot.

Defence plays a big role in episode 2 it gives you more benefits than lowering numbers.

However at present the easiest way for a warrior to solo in mf / b2f etc is with reflex not def sense and packing in heavy armour.

After you have lvled to 170 gladly switch back to defence to gain your warrior bonuses back.

You will need to eventually go mythril, titanium/osmium/sg wont cut it, you will nerf resistances ;)

Attack build is now obselete with the advent of the unnerfing it is impossible to pull off, max your crit dmg and use rols since they will be 15% rate each.

Example: B2F I can pass with 800 def past both flower queens without my hp dropping less than 75% using 2600 def rate and vamparic i loose 32 def to do this.. I have the much increased survivability in MF and on bosses also which is what i have built for to get ready as fast as I can.

Also vamp earings for a melee in a duel is a bad idea, force regena re better use of your dmg / defence.

They give u same base hp + about another 16 during the fight.

If you use vamparic you must drop a ring / gloves or brace to get the absorb for teh vamparic to activate rendering its a imbalance in your apponenets favour, this for a spell caster is different there more skills / same time allows them to utilise vamparic as an advantage.

As for combo all the time, in a good party in mf you dont often have time to combo, so a skill setup that utilises this is also recomended soemthing like

ww > sword cannon > round cut with cascade break if you need it to get out fast.

And def rate does not suck in any instance, your best example of this is the all tank zoalord his ability to tank safely regardless of what spawns randomly is awsome.

Yes use knockdown with crit rate but def rate and flee rate also.

ww / cascade / rising blade / charge are good

Round cut knocks back so is good vs melee targets poor vs ranged, if I am fighting ranged i switch cascade for rolling crash to keep them down not back.

2700 hp
810 def
2260 def rate
4% flee rate
975 attack
45% crit rate
5% crit dmg
40% amp

And yes I will be changing to compensate for ep2:

123% crit dmg
45% rate
810 def (in osmium)
2260 def rate (in osmium)
940 attack
33% amp

I do not mention pvp here, only pve and i state pve instances so where have i not stated its use?

All posts follow on from this.

[Cabal04]

ty for the Mitril Daika ^_^

[Little_B]

The real deal is that , 60% of these posts are exactly -> off topic :) and more to it if a new player or an unexperienced one asks you something about your build , you should say " I USE THIS BECAUSE ....THIS IS MY OPINION" and be concious on their lvl or skill and that maybe they don't need to hear about the deffrate upgrade bla bla bla , maybe they wanna know only how much dex to have or any other simple qwestions !

The deal is that you just "GRRR" at everyone because you think your build is the best ! -> NEEEWZ : for you it is THE BEST !

After all just TRY and keep it informative :)

[Cabal04]

lol @ LittleB
am telling you ,,, my build its the best
am Full Magic Warrior and i Own
Magic Warrior Ftw =)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4241/cabalver121708013112090vf5.jpg

[joke]

[Little_B]

lol @ LittleB
am telling you ,,, my build its the best
am Full Magic Warrior and i Own
Magic Warrior Ftw =)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4241/cabalver121708013112090vf5.jpg

[joke]

this is called "AUTO-NERF" :clap3:

nevertheless it is funny

[Cabal04]

If i wanted to get 2nd def rate upgrade for the training purposes i would get rid of the +attack upgrade (not the def one).

not bad thinking if u are more towards pve and have good amp ;)
Nice one

[TheThink]

@Cabal04
hey yoo you are using the skin i made :D coool (i'll release a new version soon, coz estsoft changed few things with the last 2 update...)

[Absinthe]

+3 to thethink..in war the only thing a WA can do is doing max dmg and block the ennmie line. the WA don't care to dies, he only make high dmg with their ww to help other ppl to fast kill and disturb the FA healing.
Same for BL, hit and die :D :clap3:

[XenodragoonE]

@Cabal04
hey yoo you are using the skin i made :D coool (i'll release a new version soon, coz estsoft changed few things with the last 2 update...)


would be cool :D. tell us when you finished it, its the only one good skin for me.

hehe. btt...

[Cabal04]

yeah nice skin and would be nicer if u could brighten the skill bar progression =) anyway back to topic

well got nothing to say now =)

Peace and Love ;)

[welro16]

+1

i tried it twice to have str build wa but could not survive branny spot solo w/o bm or aura..AT LVL 146 with 620str (rest is dex), i can survive even 4 lobatums w/o bm and i even soloed durahan, kill chakris and survive golems..when ur dex is high enough, its like ur comboing at normal atk and ur missed atk is less while u get more miss from mobs/boss atk..

[JayREd]

warrior= str lol

[kutt10]

Necro ***!?

[Argonoth]

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[kirmaster]

i reported him for spamming already.