View Full Version : Israel's not a part of europe?
hakushinkan
21-06-2007, 13:10
Hello,
I was shocked and amazed to find out you're excluding Israel from your list of European countries.
Israel's a part of Europe in every aspect you could think of and I just cant understand this block.
I'd be very happy if you could release this restriction (Israel's as much part of europe as turkey is, for instance) - but since I know you wont, I'd just be glad if I had an answer to this question.
Thanks and have a good day..
Aswel as an IP block, its to do with the IP Range. Maybe your out of range. Sorry.
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:16
*** ive played cabal in august, how come i cant play now!?!!?!?!?!
AznNoodle
21-06-2007, 13:17
since when is israel in europe 0.o, china is in europe too cuz russia is in europe and china is next to russia 0.o...right?
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:18
Are You ****ed Up!?!?!?!
China Is About A Trilion Kilometers From Europe, If You Can Play I Can Too.
since when is israel in europe 0.o, china is in europe too cuz russia is in europe and china is next to russia 0.o...right?
Thats not what hes saying. I think maybe Israel was once owned by Europe or something, maybe it got independent?
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:20
Lol i dont think so, were independent for 59-60 years already budXD
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:21
Kru if your here can you answer my question in support or tell me if israel cant play?
Unfortunatley Israel is a part of Middle East and not from Europe.
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:21
That might be my issue, but how come i could play cabal back there in august?
hakushinkan
21-06-2007, 13:22
no no, if you may notice, we're included as europe all over the place.
We're even in the eurovision song contest. Jeez I'm so sick of mentioning it everywhere.
And whats that about range? dude, Turkey is a 40 minute flight from here, range has nothing to do with it. I'm not buying it.
In Closed Beta cabal. There was no IP Block.
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:24
Yes point is, it says i failed to login server not that im IP blocked or something.
hakushinkan
21-06-2007, 13:25
Unfortunatley Israel is a part of Middle East and not from Europe.
It isnt, by fact, and I'm telling you as someone who has more than enough experience in that area. Trust me on this, Israel's considered europe.
If you want examples, I can give you tons. 1, for instance, is us being counted in the european servers of any game that's ever created - instead of the asian (where we should have been if we were considered middle east).
Geographically yes, we're in the middle east. But officially, we're in europe.
You should consider putting the topic up for consideration up there in the management, since it could be taken in a slightly different, not so pleasant way among people around the world.
no no, if you may notice, we're included as europe all over the place.
We're even in the eurovision song contest. Jeez I'm so sick of mentioning it everywhere.
And whats that about range? dude, Turkey is a 40 minute flight from here, range has nothing to do with it. I'm not buying it.
Well its blocked. And at the moment it dosn't look like there are any changes for it. Sorry :smokin:
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:26
I agree, there are alot of israely players that i know.
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:27
Point is i didnt get IP block it just says i failed to connect to the server and i need to try again later.
hakushinkan
21-06-2007, 13:30
Point is i didnt get IP block it just says i failed to connect to the server and i need to try again later.
I think thats the message you're supposed to get.
And Kyle - Thats just too darn bad, aint it?
Well, Just thought I should mention this political subject to you people. It's kinda risky.
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:30
Good i see some GM's are here would you care to explain my problem?
AznNoodle
21-06-2007, 13:33
dude if israel is include cuz its 40 min away from turkey cuz turkey is in europe u can include the whole world like a chain reaction x,x
inferno12
21-06-2007, 13:35
Though China is either more or the same distance like the one from israel to europe, i dont get this.... technically they should make couple of versions of cabal so all the world can play (technically), and i once played in this version, so whats the prob now?
hakushinkan
21-06-2007, 13:38
dude if israel is include cuz its 40 min away from turkey cuz turkey is in europe u can include the whole world like a chain reaction x,x
ffs, just stay out of this, you're not capable of listening and I hate talking to people like you. But just for clarification - I was talking about the range problem, not the "included in europe or not" problem.
If range was the problem, there was no way that turkey could and we couldnt log in since the distance between us is minor.
The problem is clearly an IP problem (since its possible to bypass it).
hakushinkan
21-06-2007, 13:39
Though China is either more or the same distance like the one from israel to europe, i dont get this.... technically they should make couple of versions of cabal so all the world can play (technically), and i once played in this version, so whats the prob now?
The problem is that they dont have authority, or license, to make the game available to players outside europe.
Our licensing territory does not include Israel. This is why you are unable to connect to the server.
Geographically Israel is not in Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Asia
However as has been argued, many parts of modern Turkey are officially recognised as being European.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Thrace
I understand that this is a difficult situation for all and we are sorry that we can't allow you to play, but we do not define the territory in which we can publish the game.
The reasons that you can't play now is because ESTsoft implemented new IP blocking software that utilises GeoIP technology to maintain the list of banned countries, this is far more accurate than previous solutions that were used.
A list of official European countries is available here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
Israel is not European and does not fall under EU law.
hakushinkan
21-06-2007, 14:17
A list of official European countries is available here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
Israel is not European and does not fall under EU law.
Gah... This is frustrating.
Dig deeper next time, my friend:
EU union and Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Israel_to_the_European_Union)
hakushinkan
21-06-2007, 14:19
Our licensing territory does not include Israel. This is why you are unable to connect to the server.
Geographically Israel is not in Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Asia
However as has been argued, many parts of modern Turkey are officially recognised as being European.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Thrace
I understand that this is a difficult situation for all and we are sorry that we can't allow you to play, but we do not define the territory in which we can publish the game.
The reasons that you can't play now is because ESTsoft implemented new IP blocking software that utilises GeoIP technology to maintain the list of banned countries, this is far more accurate than previous solutions that were used.
You're not supposed to follow geographical limitations but lawful limitations. If the problem was a geographical one I wouldnt have even bothered with the whole thing.
No official statements have ever been given out from Isrealian governemnts stating that they are in the EU
hakushinkan
21-06-2007, 14:22
What does that mean? I just gave a link to wikipedia explaining Israel's part of the european union. You dont need anything else.
What does that mean? I just gave a link to wikipedia explaining Israel's part of the european union. You dont need anything else.
From YOUR link:
The accession of Israel to the European Union refers to a possible future development in the European Union-Israel relations.
What part of "possible future" don't you understand?
Israel isn't part of Europe. There is a plan to perhaps let Israel become part of the EU some time in the future, maybe, but right now it is not.
Since we're not currently in the future, it's still illegal to provide the game to Israel when they are only allowed to provide it to nations within the EU.
Israel is part of the Middle East, not Europe.
"Trade Relations
Trade between the EU and Israel is conducted on the basis of the Association Agreement."
If Isreal was in EU that above sentence wouldnt be vaild.
It's nice that he took the time to post a link that totally contradicts his point, however. :)
Please check closer the information you are using as an argument.
The accession of Israel to the European Union refers to a possible future development in the European Union-Israel relations.
Also like I have said previously our license is for Europe only, this is a regional license that covers countries that are considered to be geographically within Europe.
The European Union is completely different to the Region of Europe. There are countries that are in Europe that have not yet joined the European Union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
AznNoodle
21-06-2007, 14:57
argueing here doesnt solve anything anyway x,x
Let say we aren't belong to Europe... Where do we belong?!
There ain't gonna be "Middle East CabalOnline" and even if there will.. we're not a part of it either... (coz all the other countries in the middle east don't speak our language.. plus they hate Israel...).
So let see... we're not welcome in Asia... not on Europe... this seems fair don't u think.... not letting us play because Technicality we're not in Europe...
P.S.
The EU think we're part of Europe so does all the sport... and contests...
but i can see why such a limited and strict game such as Cabal Online can't ban some rules... (for the smartass people it was cynical...)
AznNoodle
21-06-2007, 15:02
license problems x,x
Zigiless
21-06-2007, 15:06
As was discussed on the temporary forum today (http://www.mmorpg-zone.net/forum/showthread.php?t=127028), you should focus your efforts on contacting EstSoft directly: http://www.estsoft.com/en/Company/Contact/tabid/61/Default.aspx
I sent them an email today and I advise everyone to do the same. They should be made aware that the European version of Cabal is the only one Israeli gamers can possibly play with decent speeds, and is the one that makes the most sense for them to play on.
If the fact that Israel is basically a European country doesn't convice them to allow Israelis to play their game, maybe the lost of income of all would-be Israeli paying members would :].
Let say we aren't belong to Europe... Where do we belong?!
There ain't gonna be "Middle East CabalOnline" and even if there will.. we're not a part of it either... (coz all the other countries in the middle east don't speak our language.. plus they hate Israel...).
So let see... we're not welcome in Asia... not on Europe... this seems fair don't u think.... not letting us play because Technicality we're not in Europe...
P.S.
The EU think we're part of Europe so does all the sport... and contests...
but i can see why such a limited and strict game such as Cabal Online can't ban some rules... (for the smartass people it was cynical...)
As far as regions go you would be able to play one of the Asian services or a Global Service if it opens.
We are not trying to discriminate against anyone, we have a legal obligation to uphold our responsibilities as laid out in the contract that was signed when the license was purchased.
Zigiless
21-06-2007, 18:02
As far as regions go you would be able to play one of the Asian services or a Global Service if it opens.
Asian server are a no-go due to the geographical distance and language barrier (Unfortunately not many Israeli gamers know Korean or Japanease).
The global version sounds good (if such a thing will ever exist) but only if the servers won't be in the USA (the intended market for such a version), which will cause even a slower connection then the Asian servers.
So in conclusion, either we get access to the European servers from EstSoft, or, and this is looking more and more likely, we realize we are basically screwed and go find another game.
I know complaining on this forum won't get us anything, I just wanted to make the previous posters that argued against hakushinkan with such enthusiasm understand we are not simply demanding a quicker way access to the game.
Thats not what hes saying. I think maybe Israel was once owned by Europe or something, maybe it got independent?
lol the hole world was once owned by europe.
colonies in Africa, Asia, Australia even VS, so you mean like the hole world is European. :clap3::clap3::clap3::clap3:
btw, 1 EXAM LEFT !!!!
go go go go
goo BEAST it's your last day
we gonna party this, with cabal game
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CorvaxSeeK
21-06-2007, 20:18
Unfortunatley Israel is a part of Middle East and not from Europe.
oh yeah? so why was Israel on the under21 eurpean football championship ?
oh yeah? so why was Israel on the under21 eurpean football championship ?
well, i think caus it's a football team. a team is not a country :shades:. as you know there're lot of Israeli embassy in EU, it want be a problem to get a Israeli football team in EU-football championship ^____^
btw, this is my opinion, BEAST said OPINION !!!! tht means BEAST is not sure about it, tht means BEAST don't work in EU-committee or council. ^_____^
Dragonhand
21-06-2007, 20:55
Guys guys guys, do we have to repeat all again, it does not depend on cabal administration, they signed a protocol that allows them to allow ppl in some ip range to play, if the guys owning the ip range system consider taking for exemple france ou of the ip range it wouldnt be cus of cabal administration. But I think Some one on Cabal admin could trow the subject to the guys providing you the ip service, in order to expand the servevise to other countrys that belong to europe or that have already other services beeing provided by europe.
Once again:
- Complaining here does moot
- EstSoft is the owner of the game and they decide who plays and who doesn't. Throw your complaints on them, not us.
- GamesMasters are only a publisher and are under a contract they can't break.
- EstSoft considers that Israel isn't part of Europe - again, complain to them, not us.
Just enough of these threads. It's getting annoying and won't solve anything.
KeynesAlley
22-06-2007, 08:31
Israel is in the European football league under the "special status" clause specifically written and added to allow them to play in Europe.
IF they were a part of Europe, then the special clause would never have been needed to be written/added.
Also, China and the USA are trade partners, does this make them a part of the same geographical area?! For those that don't know, there's a huge ocean {the Pacific} in between them.
shalldoom
22-06-2007, 15:08
Im not in Europe and im playing just fine..... hows that?
Im not in Europe and im playing just fine..... hows that?
A wake up for the sleeping dogs...
Im not in Europe and im playing just fine..... hows that?
You should have been quiet if you can play without being in Europe.
Im not in Europe and im playing just fine..... hows that?
I see a ban coming... you should have kept quiet for your own good :pcguru:
byebye :ciao:
Im not in Europe and im playing just fine..... hows that?
I hope you did enjoy playing till now....cause i doubt you will be able to do so for much longer.
shalldoom
22-06-2007, 23:58
I dont see why i should get banned, im playing from Egypt and i think my ISP is somehow connected to the UK so, that explains how im playing....:dontknow:
Oh and im not using proxy or stuff like that.
lUnKnOwNl
23-06-2007, 11:19
*** i played the game for 2 days ( im from israel) and now you say israel is blocked very nice of you ppl i just dont have what to say ,you remembered block us now ha very kind of you
*** i played the game for 2 days ( im from israel) and now you say israel is blocked very nice of you ppl i just dont have what to say ,you remembered block us now ha very kind of you
Once AGAIN - it's NOT GamesMasters that decide who can play or not. It's EstSoft
Did you play before Cabal became free? Also, you shouldn't complain here about this, because the GM's can't do anything about it, simply because they're not the developers.
They signed a contract with ESTsoft that says that all none-european IPs get blocked. If they'd break this contract, they'll be in serious problems.
Ricco.
zadirion
23-06-2007, 12:08
...........
And whats that about range? dude, Turkey is a 40 minute flight from here, range
has nothing to do with it. I'm not buying it.
Yo dude...before arguing with a GA do some research. It ain't about real-world range and IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH flights from Paraguay to Zimbabwe:giljotiini:.
It's IP range. For example 82.79.xx.xx (the IP) that kind of range.
lol try moving ur internet about a few inches towards Europe, maybe that 'll work =P.
now serious: It sux 4 u =(..:( but I don't think it helps alot
well that's allways been like that,
EU servers, USA servers, Asian servers,... there are lot of games from Asia or USA i'd like to play, but the only thing i can do is find an other great (BEASTY) game, like CABAL 4 expl. ;)
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btw, me BEAST !!!!
Thats not what hes saying. I think maybe Israel was once owned by Europe or something, maybe it got independent?
Europe is a continent.... doesn't "own" the countries.... Israel is only part of Europe on some events like football (it's part of UEFA) and the european singing contest....
actually Israel is part of Middle-East... to say that Israel is in Europe we have to say that Palestine is on Europe too...
and remember Turkey is a part of Europe cuz it's capital city is on the Turkish part of Europe....!
Israel is part of Asia!
The State of Israel (Hebrew: מְדִינַת יִשְׂרָאֵל (help·info), Medinat Yisra'el; Arabic: دَوْلَةْ إِسْرَائِيل, Dawlat Isrā'īl) is a country in the Western Asian Levant, on the southeastern edge of the Mediterranean Sea
from wikipedia....!
I think we've seen enough to conclude that Israel is 99,99% most likely not to be included in Cabal (unless ESTsoft get's sympathy for the people in Israel lol).
=| So why are they still talking about it.
Europe is a continent.... doesn't "own" the countries.... Israel is only part of Europe on some events like football (it's part of UEFA) and the european singing contest....
I think what they meant is how countries like Birtain used to have entire empires where they had other countires out of Europe under their control, ie they had conquered them. And they "released" them when they allowed the countries to become indepedent.
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