Best combo

[basorios]

i was jw what is the best combo for us?

[LadydaRk]

just search , there are countless threads about this , about best pvp , and best pve combo..

w/e i'll answer but next time just use the search button.

For Pve: use GM(9 or 12) , Hailstorm (15-18) , Arctic ( 9-12 ) , energy (?)
For Pvp: there are 2 ways , Gm and canons or Gm and lances , chose what you like best.

[takolin]

If my calculations are correct dear Mittens you should place fire cannon last as it has a lower dps.
And knowing damage is done at the launch time of the skill and not at the end, that setup could kill a target 0,2 seconds faster.

[takolin]

I have absolutely no idea. I excluded crit from my calculations due to no crit rate/dam cap.
Same with added amp on items.
You can check my DPS thread in the wiz section.

[LadydaRk]

Ultimate PVP combo is

G Master > Stone Cannon > Fire Cannon > Stone Lance > Fire Lance (Target is dead for me at this time) but if not, just re-do the combo back to G master :P


I just wanted to post this combo :O , tested it today

Any IMO works very well , and so far it's better than canon only combo by.. alot!

[ilicit]

Wouldnt it be better to go for G.cannon, fire cannon, lighting cannonc, lihgtning lance and then stonce cannon? since the skill amp is 1.70x and fire is 1.60 i think

[takolin]

Don't do lightning skills in PvP.
They're much slower and thus lowering your DPS.
Check the DPs topic for more info.

[Havefun]

Yesterday i did a combo to a higher wizard than me that brought him to 20% hp when i failed at 11 or 12...he didn't even hitted me cause of the knock back/down effect of chain explosion, since i was using...fire cannon, earth cannon, chain explosion, lighting cannon...this was in war channel, i just atacked him cause when i was selling drops in PL he atacked me from behind...i just dashed blinked away and then came back making him taste his own poison...altought that after i falided the combo he potted to full hp and i stoped and runned away.

My question is, if i start a combo first and i am able to knockback/down the opponent...and if i don't fail the combo, i will never lose control? Or a chance of faling knockdown and him dashing or doing combo can break me?

[atmaone]

Hum sorry but ... Can you tell me the level of each skills please ?
( I'm only A.Master and I use Chain explo>Hailstorm> and Artic>stone Canon>Fire Canon or Lightning Canon>Stone Canon>Fire Canon Can you telle me if I'm on the good way ? If is " NO " can you explain why ? )

thanks a lot for your futur answer

[kot666]

Ultimate PVP combo is

G Master > Stone Cannon > Fire Cannon > Stone Lance > Fire Lance (Target is dead for me at this time) but if not, just re-do the combo back to G master :P

Can you tell me on what lvl should i have those skills? I know gm is 9 but others? Is 15 ok ?

[LadydaRk]

gm level 9 , the rest level 20.

[DoMiNuS]

gm level 9 , the rest level 20.

or 19 since at lvl 20 casting time and cd time are increased i think

[LadydaRk]

if he uses the combo that he quoted he can keep skills at 20 and also combo when bar is yellow...

[suprem3]

"Ultimate PVP combo is

G Master > Stone Cannon > Fire Cannon > Stone Lance > Fire Lance "

i dont think there is "ultimate" pvp combo

there are a lot of different tactics which requires different spells and levels..

personally i dont like the idea of having just the gm as the stun/knockback spell i prefer to have the gm skill higher and use chain explosion as a knock down spell as well which have low casting time and after u break opponents combo u can quickly cast it and knock him down

plus i really hate the idea of not having my best skill at its maximum power

[EdmastaD]

Well then you should do fade-blink-freeze (1.2 sec 7-8 range)-gmaster-some other high dmg spell-repeat..

Thing is,
A) Knockdown ends sooner than stun
B) if you do not break his combo, no effect is applied (except DoT)
C) While you fade-blink, you lose time in which you could hae taken atleast 1/4th of his hp already. If you do not combo, you lose about 1 second from each spell (in combo i've seen my spells speed up by something 0.5-1sec per spell..meaning you can increase your dmg per second by 33% if you use combo..

[Shrykull]

hi. i tested around a bit the last few days and ive got to say i like mittens' pvp combo (gm+stone/firecannons/lances) a lot, but its pretty useless when it comes to grinding... his pve combo (gm,arctic,lightning) stuns a lot but didnt stun as much as i hoped and didnt do as much damage i hoped for, too...

My favourite combo is

GM(18)-Vaccuum(20)-EnergyField(20)-HailStorm(20)-ArcticField(18)

only do this if youre a bit experienced and nearly always hit your combo "excellent" - else you wont be able to do a higher combo than 6 or so because the Gm cooldown is quite high. (in this case, try GM skill lvl 15...)
This combo dishes out a decent amount of damage, plus youve got a huge damage radius + stunlock for the mobs directly in front of you as long as you stay in combo. (if your combo breaks and the mobs are too heavy - BLINK is your friend. ;)

Why the high skill levels?
simple. i just set the skill cooldown to the castingtime of the 4 following skills.
plus, my equipment is optimized for +crit damage - even if you do more damage with gm lvl 9 (like 3 times 1.5k dmg in 10 seconds) - with lvl 18 i do a neat amount of DOT plus like 2 times 2k dmg and one time 3k dmg in 15 seconds) - the higher your "basic" damage is, the more a +crit damage equipment effect will be seen.
(same applies for +X% magic amp, just calculate yourself ;))

THE big disadvantage of this combo: you wont have much skillpoints left for a alternative pvp combo, despite the fact that your GM cooldown is far too long for efficiently using it in pvp - still - when it comes to efficiently killing many mobs in least amount of time with least amount of healthpots, its the best thing ive found (yet).

Money wasted with testing with all kinds of combos (increasing/decreasing skilllevels): about 35mil - donations appreciated :shades:

[suprem3]

have u tried to replace hailstorm with acid trap? since dot stack it will be a decent dmg just from the dot of the gm and acid trap skill and it would be sth like that

gm lvl18 - acid trap lvl 20-vaccum lvl20-arctic field lvl 18- energy field lvl 20

[molchilein]

Sory for the question, but do i see t right that i can forget vacuum? Cause i have it skilled, butjust at lvl 1 ^^
I'm sooo confused at the moment. I'm just master, so i have for pvp mostly: Chain explosion (lvl15), fire cannon, magic cannon, stone cannon (all lvl 19), nice for combos because all really fast. My question is more for pve what i really need and on which lvl. i have atm vacuum (lvl1), hailstorm(lvl 5) and i hope soon the a.master skill ^^. Anything i don't need or i should have but don't? and on whih lvls i should have all that? Please help out before i skill all too high and have to pay sooo much to skill down.
Btw. what about blink? is it enough on lvl 1 or should i skill it up?

[tartan]

Sory for the question, but do i see t right that i can forget vacuum? Cause i have it skilled, butjust at lvl 1 ^^
I'm sooo confused at the moment. I'm just master, so i have for pvp mostly: Chain explosion (lvl15), fire cannon, magic cannon, stone cannon (all lvl 19), nice for combos because all really fast. My question is more for pve what i really need and on which lvl. i have atm vacuum (lvl1), hailstorm(lvl 5) and i hope soon the a.master skill ^^. Anything i don't need or i should have but don't? and on whih lvls i should have all that? Please help out before i skill all too high and have to pay sooo much to skill down.
Btw. what about blink? is it enough on lvl 1 or should i skill it up?


All you have to do is to get Gmaster asap (Actually get Gmaster skill to lvl 9 asap).
I didnt worry about cannons till Gmaster, After I got Gmaster, I took Lighting Cannon, Stone Cannon and Fire Cannon and lvled them to 18. I never use Vacuum nor Acid Trap anymore (They are still at lvl 9, but I will remove them). I found Chain Explosion to be a nice skill if you need instant knockdown/knockback.
I loved Hailstorm until I started to focus more on Gmaster, A.Master+Cannons combo. But Hailstorm is still a nice dmg skill, great for PvE (the reason why it isnt used much by some people is because its too slow compared to cannons thus lower DPS I believe).
So I say just keep your cannons, and get Gmaster and A.Master to lvl 9 ASAP.
Blink should definitely be lvled to 9 and combine with dash (lvl 9 aswell).
Of course remember that your buffs (Hardness and Force Increase) should be maxed before any other skills.
Any other skill that you arent sure whether it should be maxed or not, just leave it to lvl 9.





This has to be the most stupidest combo ive seen yet for mage lol

why woudl u wanna wait so much to recast your G master? i can cast ummm maybe 4-5 G masters at lvl 9 in the tiem it takes to cast 1 lvl 20 G master my combo cant be beaten unless it gets nerfd by developers.


hi. i tested around a bit the last few days and ive got to say i like mittens' pvp combo (gm+stone/firecannons/lances) a lot, but its pretty useless when it comes to grinding... his pve combo (gm,arctic,lightning) stuns a lot but didnt stun as much as i hoped and didnt do as much damage i hoped for, too...

My favourite combo is

GM(18)-Vaccuum(20)-EnergyField(20)-HailStorm(20)-ArcticField(18)

only do this if youre a bit experienced and nearly always hit your combo "excellent" - else you wont be able to do a higher combo than 6 or so because the Gm cooldown is quite high. (in this case, try GM skill lvl 15...)
This combo dishes out a decent amount of damage, plus youve got a huge damage radius + stunlock for the mobs directly in front of you as long as you stay in combo. (if your combo breaks and the mobs are too heavy - BLINK is your friend. ;)

Why the high skill levels?
simple. i just set the skill cooldown to the castingtime of the 4 following skills.
plus, my equipment is optimized for +crit damage - even if you do more damage with gm lvl 9 (like 3 times 1.5k dmg in 10 seconds) - with lvl 18 i do a neat amount of DOT plus like 2 times 2k dmg and one time 3k dmg in 15 seconds) - the higher your "basic" damage is, the more a +crit damage equipment effect will be seen.
(same applies for +X% magic amp, just calculate yourself ;))

THE big disadvantage of this combo: you wont have much skillpoints left for a alternative pvp combo, despite the fact that your GM cooldown is far too long for efficiently using it in pvp - still - when it comes to efficiently killing many mobs in least amount of time with least amount of healthpots, its the best thing ive found (yet).

Money wasted with testing with all kinds of combos (increasing/decreasing skilllevels): about 35mil - donations appreciated :shades:

TBH I was going to say same, I have never saw anyone trying (wasting 35m) to try such a weird, yet so ****** combo. First of all, what is Vacuum doing in that row, secondly well this is based on my opinion only, but Energy Field at 20? Err.. You must be joking with me.. Well if you want to use EF for dmg skill then its your choice.. Last but not the least.. GM at 18.. Gosh how ppl decide to waste their money nowadays..All I can say is, your combo looks really ****** or it is really ******.

[suprem3]

"what is Vacuum doing in that row"

vaccum has a knockback effect thus it will help to keep the mobs down/stunned


"to try such a weird, yet so ****** combo."

trying what seems weird sometimes leads in great discoveries ^^ i am sure that the first that tried the so called ultimate pvp combo with lances/cannons had to deal with the majority of the players to make fun of his "weird" combo and anyway its always nice to try to find something new that will give u an advantage..otherwise all the players would be equal at pvp :)




well to conclude this combo doesnt seam "right" to me either but i can see there is a logic behind it and anyway it was a test..not all tests give succesfull results;p and remember there is not a thing as ultimate combo ppl play different ,use different tactics and different strategies or they just like the effect of a particular spell which is maybe useless ^^

[EdmastaD]

That combo has a flaw- it combines 2 anti-mob effects- stun and knockdown, and if I am right, the timings for those effects are different, thus making it harder to restric mob from attacking..

Perhaps a combo with only Stun skills could be made? (Freeze = stun, right?) That way a 98.9% Stun guarantee regardless of where you break or start your combo..

[molchilein]

All you have to do is to get Gmaster asap (Actually get Gmaster skill to lvl 9 asap).
I didnt worry about cannons till Gmaster, After I got Gmaster, I took Lighting Cannon, Stone Cannon and Fire Cannon and lvled them to 18. I never use Vacuum nor Acid Trap anymore (They are still at lvl 9, but I will remove them). I found Chain Explosion to be a nice skill if you need instant knockdown/knockback.
I loved Hailstorm until I started to focus more on Gmaster, A.Master+Cannons combo. But Hailstorm is still a nice dmg skill, great for PvE (the reason why it isnt used much by some people is because its too slow compared to cannons thus lower DPS I believe).
So I say just keep your cannons, and get Gmaster and A.Master to lvl 9 ASAP.
Blink should definitely be lvled to 9 and combine with dash (lvl 9 aswell).
Of course remember that your buffs (Hardness and Force Increase) should be maxed before any other skills.
Any other skill that you arent sure whether it should be maxed or not, just leave it to lvl 9.



i know, g.master is needed soon, buti'm just lvl 62 with34/83 at master ^^
So i will hold my cannons and lez the chain explosion on lvl 15 for a while. Hailstorm is really nice and i see it often here in pve-combo description, thats why i asked about it on which lvl i should have, same about energy field and that a.master-ice field. That are the 3 skills i'm not sure about
The buffs are still on the way to maximum :)

Thx for the help

[EX2REME]

ok nice to see all this people however what i would like to see is from beginning to g-master the best advice tactics.

someone ?

[Shrykull]

I ignore the flames and get right to your points:

"****** combo" // damage:
The point with my combo is to keep a massive amount of mobs either stunned or knocked down - and it stuns better than the gm9-arctic9-lightning18 thingy.
the damage MIGHT not be the same when youre not going on full crit damage, but the stun effect still lasts longer eg youre better able to keep mobs stunned although you missed your combo and restarted it.

my test objects were fleshgolems in undead tower b1f, i lured 5 together and killed them... they hit me 10 times with mittens' combo and only 2 times with mine (means 3 of 5 fleshgolems never even had a chance to hit me before they died.[edit: peak values! both values were the lowest amount of hits i ever got with 5 tries{eg b1f runs} for every combo, the average was of course somewhat higher - around 25 for mittens' and around 15 for mine.])

why vaccuum?:
the vaccum and the Hailstorm are just "fillers" ... the casting times came in quite handy to cast them between 2 stun skills - enemies wont be knocked down when theyre already stunned.

replacing hailstorm with acid trap:
i have to admit i didnt try acid trap, but when i look at the rather short castingtime of acid trap i guess it wont stun as well - although it *may* add a nice dot bonus what *may* help you in pvp - but this combo is no use in pvp as i concentrated on the stunning effect.

tactics, no matter what combo:
use the (hopefully ranged) "filler" skills in your combo to attract mobs to come to you (would be lightning cannon with mittens' combo, i guess.), and arrange a "stunlock area" in front of you where every attracted mob should run into and die... (you need to switch mobs a lot with this tactic - i wouldnt recommend that to new players who cant switch mobs in-fight without breaking the combo)

PS:
i have to mention again this is a PURE PVE combo - its pretty useless in pvp, but as i want to hit many strong mobs at once with being hit least possible (mutant forest // lakeside approved ;)) this will be MY choice. :p

PPS:
When im saying "my combo" - its not made by me, i heard about it from a friend who read about it in the korean forum and adjusted the skill levels for my purposes. i guess same counts for mittens' combo, there are rumours that selenna found that combo, and there are also rumours that its as well originally made by crazy koreans - i dont care, i just use mittens name as he introduced the combo in this thread for recognition.

[takolin]

I saw a nice stuncombo in a Korean/Japanese vid.
Arctic field > GM > energy field > hailstorm.
Mobs stayed stunned with exception between the 4th and the 5th hit according to the vid.

[Alwin]

So maya.
What you suggest for pvm?

(I'm trying to get my friend's char setted up well)

Also, wich skills shouldn't I learn at all.
Wich one should i max, wich one should i leave at 9?

I, myself, am not experienced with a wizzard, so this could help me out :)

[~Uzi~]

maya a question to you could u refine the combo or explain abit more and 1 more thing is this just for pvp? if not wat is the best or the one combo u use for pvm and any tips in pvp

[Lawful]

"Ultimate PVP combo is

G Master > Stone Cannon > Fire Cannon > Stone Lance > Fire Lance "

i dont think there is "ultimate" pvp combo

there are a lot of different tactics which requires different spells and levels..

personally i dont like the idea of having just the gm as the stun/knockback spell i prefer to have the gm skill higher and use chain explosion as a knock down spell as well which have low casting time and after u break opponents combo u can quickly cast it and knock him down

plus i really hate the idea of not having my best skill at its maximum power

Sorry for diggin out old threads but this one is the most useful one yet made about Wizard combos.
So now i'd like to counter your words, the combo with the 2 lances and 2 cannons is the best combo yet to be made (until the v2 patch will come out anyways) , it has a high dps and the opponents just don't have enough time to re-heal on even the war-server.
Now i'd say that using a knockdown spell in PvP is a really ****** >.> and uneffective, if your fighting against a average opponent then he'll also be using a combo against you.
Even if knocked down the combo doesn't interupt and when he'll press next spell when lying down , the character will cast it even while lying on the ground , so the knockdown is rendered useless.
Altough stun is a bit different, if stun hits the target before the spell casts then he'll be stunned for 2 sec but the combo won't break but will just freeze, so it'll continue after the 2sec have passed.

Hoho, the part about when his combo breaks, can you read your opponents mind and know when its broken? xD
Even so if that happens , in my case i'd blink/dash away out of range and prepare for the next income.

P.S.So i still haven't found the perfect PvE Stun-lock combo, altough i think i did but don't know the spell levels, is it this one?
GM(9) => AF(?) => Lightning Cannon(18), is that it?

[rothmans]

So i still haven't found the perfect PvE Stun-lock combo, altough i think i did but don't know the spell levels, is it this one?
GM(9) => AF(?) => Lightning Cannon(18), is that it?

Yup, it works so damn well on just about everything. Thanks to that combo I can kill wraiths and spectors at lvl 82 in UG.

[Lawful]

Yup, it works so damn well on just about everything. Thanks to that combo I can kill wraiths and spectors at lvl 82 in UG.

I was actually asking the level of AF but nevermind, found it already

[kinkaito]

I was actually asking the level of AF but nevermind, found it already

i use that combo in pvp and pve lol.. seems to get me wins :P seems im new. dont have "amp gear"
and i thought a lvl 99 char to test it. and he said it had a high stun rate on him.
Gm lvl 9. AF lvl 9 LC lvl 18

[Lawful]

i use that combo in pvp and pve lol.. seems to get me wins :P seems im new. dont have "amp gear"
and i thought a lvl 99 char to test it. and he said it had a high stun rate on him.
Gm lvl 9. AF lvl 9 LC lvl 18

Hm well for PvP use the GM=>Stone Cannon=>Fire Cannon=>Stone Lance=>Fire Lance combo.
Altough the other is the best in PvE and in PvP lets say for you to easier understand, the stun lasts about 3 times less than on monsters.

[takolin]

I prefer GM > terra lance > stone cannon > fire lance > fire cannon.
If you can kill with these 5 skills, you'll win 0.2seconds which can be crucial in a PvP which last for about 10 seconds.

TBA the stun combo isn't 100% stunproof. I've had hits during the combo even if it was my first. The following combo's can fail due to some stun/freeze cooldown issues.
But I have to admit, it's awesome in B1F when you're mobbed with 10-15 zombies while using leechgear.

[kinkaito]

Hm well for PvP use the GM=>Stone Cannon=>Fire Cannon=>Stone Lance=>Fire Lance combo.
Altough the other is the best in PvE and in PvP lets say for you to easier understand, the stun lasts about 3 times less than on monsters.

thats the thing that throws me off... on base dmg.. a light cannon lvl 18.. hits my enemy for 89 damage.. and my Artic hits them for 250+ iumo big differance. i think thats why ive always kept with the pve combo

[Lawful]

thats the thing that throws me off... on base dmg.. a light cannon lvl 18.. hits my enemy for 89 damage.. and my Artic hits them for 250+ iumo big differance. i think thats why ive always kept with the pve combo

Thats cause your base damage is low, so Arctic Field's Add. Attack covers for that temporarily.

[kinkaito]

Thats cause your base damage is low, so Arctic Field's Add. Attack covers for that temporarily.

mind if i ask another dumb question?
here goes... what base magic do you recomend befor going to the higher combo of the cannons and lances?
arm i have around 416 using lapis orbs.
do i need around 600-800 ?

[Lawful]

mind if i ask another dumb question?
here goes... what base magic do you recomend befor going to the higher combo of the cannons and lances?
arm i have around 416 using lapis orbs.
do i need around 600-800 ?

Yes, 600+ is a good start, the more the better :y:
Altough 600 would be enough for lv90-100 average players in Osmium

[kinkaito]

hm how you get 600+ dmg ? thats with the lvl 99 weps im guessing?

[Lawful]

hm how you get 600+ dmg ? thats with the lvl 99 weps im guessing?

Yap, Transcender + Topaz Orbs +5/6

[kinkaito]

Yap, Transcender + Topaz Orbs +5/6

darn lol. im only A.master/compl -_- with lapis.. guess ill do with what i go. thanks for the help ^^

[Junco]

ok i can trow away aqua cannon now ? or is it also good enough ? im gonna get stone cannon also.
But what about lightnig cannon should i use it in pvp or just ( im still expert almost a.expert) stone lance, stone cannon, fire lance, firecannon ?

[Lawful]

ok i can trow away aqua cannon now ? or is it also good enough ? im gonna get stone cannon also.
But what about lightnig cannon should i use it in pvp or just ( im still expert almost a.expert) stone lance, stone cannon, fire lance, firecannon ?



Its pretty good, it has the same damage as Fire, but lower by 8 damage but the cooldown is lower by 0,6 sec too.
And the cannons recomended are Fire or Aqua, Lightning and Stone.
In PvP don't use Lightning Cannon/Laces since theyr cast time is high, just Fire(Aqua)/Stone Cannons and Lances.

[hi_babe_]

I prefer GM > terra lance > stone cannon > fire lance > fire cannon.


isn't it better to use skills with the highest absoluta dmg in pvp ?
i mean considering there is no crit, and considering the opponent will die after this combo, they will also die with the original combo ( gm, stone can, fire can, terra L, fire L ) So in both case u need to cast those 5 skills and need same time.
but considering crit, i think it's better to use absoluta dmg skills in this order : ( gm, stone can, fire can, terra L, fire L ) because if the most powerful skills crit, it might kill the opponent 1 skill faster.
And i read somewhere that doing Excellent combo up the crit rate of 7.5%, but i don't know if it's true.

[kinkaito]

isn't it better to use skills with the highest absoluta dmg in pvp ?
i mean considering there is no crit, and considering the opponent will die after this combo, they will also die with the original combo ( gm, stone can, fire can, terra L, fire L ) So in both case u need to cast those 5 skills and need same time.
but considering crit, i think it's better to use absoluta dmg skills in this order : ( gm, stone can, fire can, terra L, fire L ) because if the most powerful skills crit, it might kill the opponent 1 skill faster.
And i read somewhere that doing Excellent combo up the crit rate of 7.5%, but i don't know if it's true.

well i crit alot more when i get excellent, i thought that was just luck and timing though

[Lawful]

well i crit alot more when i get excellent, i thought that was just luck and timing though

Your imagination ^_~ , you don't crit more in excelent combos.

[kinkaito]

Your imagination ^_~ , you don't crit more in excelent combos.

yeah thats what i thought. but i tend to crit alto anyway.. hence i said "i thought it was Luck or just timing"

but i generaly do get evellent on my combo bar. its rare i get good or bad..

[takolin]

isn't it better to use skills with the highest absoluta dmg in pvp ?
i mean considering there is no crit, and considering the opponent will die after this combo, they will also die with the original combo ( gm, stone can, fire can, terra L, fire L ) So in both case u need to cast those 5 skills and need same time.
but considering crit, i think it's better to use absoluta dmg skills in this order : ( gm, stone can, fire can, terra L, fire L ) because if the most powerful skills crit, it might kill the opponent 1 skill faster.
And i read somewhere that doing Excellent combo up the crit rate of 7.5%, but i don't know if it's true.

Nope.
Damage is counted in the beginning of a skill and not at the end.
So the time of the last one doesn't matter, you could even add Arctic field if you're sure your opponent will die.

[Junco]

Ok i got Stone Cannon now and aqua cannon and Acid trab, i got to say you can combo pretty nice with those.
Yesterday i pvp a friend of mine ( i thought im gonna lose die hard) but i ownd him so ****ing hard i didnt even fade step or anything and got 2/3 of mine hp left over.
He whas a warrior btw.
I got to say i didnt expect that i pownd that hard :P

[Lawful]

Ok i got Stone Cannon now and aqua cannon and Acid trab, i got to say you can combo pretty nice with those.
Yesterday i pvp a friend of mine ( i thought im gonna lose die hard) but i ownd him so ****ing hard i didnt even fade step or anything and got 2/3 of mine hp left over.
He whas a warrior btw.
I got to say i didnt expect that i pownd that hard :P

Your friend must suck at PvP xD to be beaten by such spells.
I've just PvP'ed my friend lv 92 Blader , ouch did it hurt >.> blade scud was like doing 700 damage, but anyways i won 3/3 each time with 300~600 hp left.

Combos Used: GM(9) => Stone Cannon(18) => Stone Lance(19) => Fire Lance(19) => Fire Cannon(18)

[kinkaito]

Your friend must suck at PvP xD to be beaten by such spells.
I've just PvP'ed my friend lv 92 Blader , ouch did it hurt >.> blade scud was like doing 700 damage, but anyways i won 3/3 each time with 300~600 hp left.

Combos Used: GM(9) => Stone Cannon(18) => Stone Lance(19) => Fire Lance(19) => Fire Cannon(18)

mind if i ask why there not level 20?
i used this combo yester and it was effective, but they was all lvl 20 and the cooldowns was fine,

[Lawful]

mind if i ask why there not level 20?
i used this combo yester and it was effective, but they was all lvl 20 and the cooldowns was fine,

Haha xD I knew you'd ask, well the thing is i'm still skilling so i don't tend to use GM since it kills the targets fast, so i'm using 2 cannons and 2 lances in a combo.

[kinkaito]

Haha xD I knew you'd ask, well the thing is i'm still skilling so i don't tend to use GM since it kills the targets fast, so i'm using 2 cannons and 2 lances in a combo.


oh. ive got 3 novice skills for the Skilling part lol. i dont use Cannons or lances for that =p

[Lawful]

oh. ive got 3 novice skills for the Skilling part lol. i dont use Cannons or lances for that =p

I'm killing lv91 Lithorns in undead ground, make money/slowly level and skill fast at them, so i don't untend to use arrows xP

[Junco]

And what about chain explosion ? why not use it in PVP also ?
I think its a very usefull skill because of the knock-down effect and the casting time isnt bad also

[kinkaito]

And what about chain explosion ? why not use it in PVP also ?
I think its a very usefull skill because of the knock-down effect and the casting time isnt bad also

knockback effects are usless in a combo. the person ur fighting will not be ****** enough to fight someone whos using a combo. without comboing themself.

the seccond they fall to the floor they seccond they get back up when in combo. it doesnt break,

[Lawful]

And what about chain explosion ? why not use it in PVP also ?
I think its a very usefull skill because of the knock-down effect and the casting time isnt bad also

Yes its useless in PvP since it doesn't break nor stun a enemy's combo.

[takolin]

And what about chain explosion ? why not use it in PVP also ?
I think its a very usefull skill because of the knock-down effect and the casting time isnt bad also

It's weaker as let's say stone cannon and slower as well.
And KD/KB doesn't matter in PvP.
It can be useful in certain PvE situations.

[Eraven]

There is no best combo, you need to adap i o each of your oponent to be good player.

And 2 GM in a combo at least for wi is noobish

[Saikkara]

I got a bit confused by this thread^^

am I right about combos?

PvP:
GM(9)>stone cannon(20)>fire cannon(20)>terra lance(20)>fire lance(20)

PvE:
GM(9)>AF(9)>lightning cannon(18)



Just reached GM now and going to serious things ^__^

[kinkaito]

I got a bit confused by this thread^^

am I right about combos?

PvP:
GM(9)>stone cannon(20)>fire cannon(20)>terra lance(20)>fire lance(20)

PvE:
GM(9)>AF(9)>lightning cannon(18)



Just reached GM now and going to serious things ^__^

the pvp combo isnt good... untill you get alot of Magic... it seems.. Amp ect..

i use the pve combo in pvp atm.. its more effective coz i only have 412 Magic

[Lawful]

There is no best combo, you need to adap i o each of your oponent to be good player.

And 2 GM in a combo at least for wi is noobish

Oh sure it is, lets strip you from your +AMP equipment and say that again -.-

[Lawful]

I got a bit confused by this thread^^

am I right about combos?

PvP:
GM(9)>stone cannon(20)>fire cannon(20)>terra lance(20)>fire lance(20)

PvE:
GM(9)>AF(9)>lightning cannon(18)



Just reached GM now and going to serious things ^__^

Yes these 2 are usually the best choice, but for the PvP combo i'd say you need atleast 600 Magic and some AMP equipment to make it worth-while, and the PvE lightning cannon can be replaced by Stone Cannon latter on when you've got more Magic and AMP for better DPS results.

[Rednax]

What's the difference if you have 500 damage or 900? Still does the same deal or this game is very faxed up

[Lawful]

What's the difference if you have 500 damage or 900? Still does the same deal or this game is very faxed up

Thers a big difference, the skill damage is at a % growth rate that depends on your base magic, so the more you have the more damage you'll do.

[Dr.Killer]

ERMM... I might get flamed for this but.. oh well,
All you ppl listed pvp combos of five skills... why?
has anyone of you tried doing a 4 skill combo? it is possible.
My combo goes like this
GM-Stone cannon-FireCannon-TerraLance.
You will lose some dmg during the combo because you will have to sacrifice some points from the cannons to make it work, however you will get to cast your GM skill at least 1.8 seconds sooner than ANY combo in this thread, tell me what you think?

[Eraven]

Oh sure it is, lets strip you from your +AMP equipment and say that again -.-

I use only 32 % amp, and without amp anyway it is useless to participate to duels

[SiliconShadow]

Well killer ;) one i posted a while back is faster go seek and ye shall find.

It is a 2 lance 4 skill combo with gm of course and stone cannon.

[Eraven]

4 skill combo only works on low def / life enemys and if you got insane amp, 5 skill combo should kill anyone and if not then you should get stronget before participating at duels


Well whoever starts with gm is making a big mistake or has to low dmg
Never start with GM since its cast time is crap and the dmg at 950+ magic 30+ amp is only a bit greater than a cannon

In general i prefer to use
Lightning cannon (20) > Stone cannon (20) > Fire cannon (20) > Tera lance (20) > GM (9) or instead of gm use arctic field (20)

Many ppl just look at the dps table and call lightning can crap, they are so wrong
962 magic 32% amp on an average 650-750 def player in pvp the diference in dmg compared to GM is 10-20 for a gain of 0.5 seconds !!!!!

Ofcourse thats a low def but i excluded wa and fs since they pose no treath
at all to a wi

[Lawful]

4 skill combo only works on low def / life enemys and if you got insane amp, 5 skill combo should kill anyone and if not then you should get stronget before participating at duels


Well whoever starts with gm is making a big mistake or has to low dmg
Never start with GM since its cast time is crap and the dmg at 950+ magic 30+ amp is only a bit greater than a cannon

In general i prefer to use
Lightning cannon (20) > Stone cannon (20) > Fire cannon (20) > Tera lance (20) > GM (9) or instead of gm use arctic field (20)

Many ppl just look at the dps table and call lightning can crap, they are so wrong
962 magic 32% amp on an average 650-750 def player in pvp the diference in dmg compared to GM is 10-20 for a gain of 0.5 seconds !!!!!

Ofcourse thats a low def but i excluded wa and fs since they pose no treath
at all to a wi

Hm whats the Max Magic a Wizard could obtain? Without any options like Magic into weapon or magic oriented accessories.

Well generaly you do have a point, i'm still at 620+ Magic and don't have any AMP equipment so i use GM quite often, but i did notice that its kinda not the best 1-st combo move, its dps is lower than a Fire Cannons or even stone laces, don't remember, but the Add. Attack covers for those at the moment and the stun doesn't work on first move, i guess cause the enemy has a combo in motion already, i still have a vague idea how stun works on a enemy thats in the midle of a combo in PvP but thats temporary, i'll make some tests to see whats the best position for it latter on.

[Eraven]

[COLOR="Indigo"]Hm whats the Max Magic a Wizard could obtain? Without any options like Magic into weapon or magic oriented accessories.
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I have no iddea but my curent magic is 933 ( 962 with FA buff )

The reason why i talked about the one with buff is because i still use a crap +6 topaz and i need to get a second mithril orb

PS: Stop using that crap color !!!!!!!!!

[Lawful]

I have no iddea but my curent magic is 933 ( 962 with FA buff )

The reason why i talked about the one with buff is because i still use a crap +6 topaz and i need to get a second mithril orb

PS: Stop using that crap color !!!!!!!!!

No insulting please, and bear with it ;P or just select my words so they'd become gray then ;P

[jasko18]

I got a bit confused by this thread^^

am I right about combos?

PvP:
GM(9)>stone cannon(20)>fire cannon(20)>terra lance(20)>fire lance(20)

PvE:
GM(9)>AF(9)>lightning cannon(18)



Just reached GM now and going to serious things ^__^

yep the pve combo is best and like akire said just adjust ur self and see wht best pvp combo for you is.. but yeah this pvp combo is best for me so far id say keep this one for a while and beside ep2 coming with completer skill we have to totaly change our combo;) and experiment and see wht best is to kill those noob bladers in pvp tht use gm as finishing skill :p :shades:

[Eraven]

and experiment and see wht best is to kill those noob bladers in pvp tht use gm as finishing skill :p :shades:

Get 3k life

[kamen]

Get 3k life

You are wrong,just become heavy wizzy :cheers:

P.S Laufuw dont blame me,this was kind of joke offtopic :D

[jasko18]

lmao heavy wiz ye tht sux badly

[Eraven]

You are wrong,just become heavy wizzy :cheers:

def = useless

and beside, you need dmg also not just hp, if you got low dmg he has time to add skills before the gm and you die anyway

[kamen]

Dont u guys sleep,i wasnt even able to edit my post before u reply :D

Omfg my kbd is shaking :cheers:

[jasko18]

sleep o.O theres no sleep allowed in a world like Cabal play play

[SiliconShadow]

I have no iddea but my curent magic is 933 ( 962 with FA buff )

The reason why i talked about the one with buff is because i still use a crap +6 topaz and i need to get a second mithril orb

PS: Stop using that crap color !!!!!!!!!

The 4 skill combo is out healable by a fa / fs / wa even when used without amp.

And its not lacking the lvls as u see it, picking the right skills u loose only marginal amp off of it on 2 of the skills.

[Lawful]

Dont u guys sleep,i wasnt even able to edit my post before u reply :D

Omfg my kbd is shaking :cheers:

Its day here.

[Rednax]

Watch the time before you post

[Lawful]

The 4 skill combo is out healable by a fa / fs / wa even when used without amp.

And its not lacking the lvls as u see it, picking the right skills u loose only marginal amp off of it on 2 of the skills.

Out healable meaning he can overheal your damage?
What do you mean by loseing AMP margin of 2 skills? Then what would be your suggestion for a PvP combo?

[Eraven]

The 4 skill combo is out healable by a fa / fs / wa even when used without amp.

And its not lacking the lvls as u see it, picking the right skills u loose only marginal amp off of it on 2 of the skills.


we are talking about pvp and strictly duel not war map, a 4 skill combo for a wi canno kill a well defended and hp-uped character

and by 4 skill combo i mean casting ONLY the 4 skills, not starting again from the begining to cast second gm

[Dr.Killer]

sorry for slow response but, when someone said 5 skill combo can kill any target, don't you think that my 4 skill combo can be converted into 5 skills? i mean when i finish the last skill, i will cast gm again, and since last skill doesn't count in time, it is much much better :)

oh and perceptor, nice combo :) not bad for a warror hehe

[Quadraxis]

1. Little bit oftopic but is a PvP Gear; a crit gear or amp gear?

2. And is it osmium or even mystic?

3. And ehh the double slot in osmium, anyone manage to get 2 magic amps in that slot?

4. Or what would you guys suggest to put in the slots?:>

5. Why does everybody uses these cannons for PvE and not vacuum, or chain xplosion w/e?

Thanks

[Dr.Killer]

1. For wizards i wouls recomment amp, because it is safer, and plus on that wizard skills generaly are fast but don't hit hard, so crit won't have that much of a effect on them.
2. Most items that are amp, would be osm, as they are a lot easier to optain, wether from LS boss, or craft. Some ppl have mystic of amp, but those would be mostly gloves.
3. Not possible, best you can get is one slot from a drop from LS boss.
4. Depends on what you are using, suits best go for hp, cuz +100 hp is really nice in pvp, same goes for boots. Helms and gloves are the problem, most ppl put crt dmg in helms, i personally would rather user non slot amp. Gloves same.
5. Vacuum is very bad in pvp, because it takes forever to cast, and the damage it does isn't very good. See the GM skill takes a long time to cast too, but it does nice dmg, Vacuum doesn't. Chain Explosion doesn't have good amp in it compared to other cannons like earth one, so when u have good amp stuff u can do more dmg with cannons than Chain explosion.

BTW, I normally don't help ppl like you, becuase all the questions you asked are found in the forum you have to search for it, and you have 86 posts, so you are no newbie, you know how to search. I am also getting Deja Vu here because I cannot remeber how many times I answered all these questions lol

[Quadraxis]

1. For wizards i wouls recomment amp, because it is safer, and plus on that wizard skills generaly are fast but don't hit hard, so crit won't have that much of a effect on them.
2. Most items that are amp, would be osm, as they are a lot easier to optain, wether from LS boss, or craft. Some ppl have mystic of amp, but those would be mostly gloves.
3. Not possible, best you can get is one slot from a drop from LS boss.
4. Depends on what you are using, suits best go for hp, cuz +100 hp is really nice in pvp, same goes for boots. Helms and gloves are the problem, most ppl put crt dmg in helms, i personally would rather user non slot amp. Gloves same.
5. Vacuum is very bad in pvp, because it takes forever to cast, and the damage it does isn't very good. See the GM skill takes a long time to cast too, but it does nice dmg, Vacuum doesn't. Chain Explosion doesn't have good amp in it compared to other cannons like earth one, so when u have good amp stuff u can do more dmg with cannons than Chain explosion.

BTW, I normally don't help ppl like you, becuase all the questions you asked are found in the forum you have to search for it, and you have 86 posts, so you are no newbie, you know how to search. I am also getting Deja Vu here because I cannot remeber how many times I answered all these questions lol

Well 86 posts isn't that much :P
Im to lazy to search the exact questions I was looking for
But really thanks for answering :>

I am retired but I might make a wizard since I like magic.

Btw you use osmium too in PvP?

[Dr.Killer]

Well 86 posts isn't that much :P
Btw you use osmium too in PvP?

yes

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[Quadraxis]

Thank you

but please make sure that you pet cat doesn't snipe me with his sniper ;)

[takolin]

Well 86 posts isn't that much :P
Im to lazy to search the exact questions I was looking for
But really thanks for answering :>

I am retired but I might make a wizard since I like magic.

Btw you use osmium too in PvP?

Osmium of mystic in PvP totally depends on the crafts/enchants and your pvp style.

[Shan-X]

First of All , THANKS *takolin and maya* Just read all this thread from start to finnish and must admit , had some great information about combo's etc.

Right now am lvl 114 - Dual Trans with 15% Amp,

Before was using -
Gm 9 > Stone Cannon 19 > Lightning Cannon 18 > Fire Cannon 20

This combo was good but when i tried ..
GM 9 > Tera Lance > Stone Cannon > Fire Lance > Fire cannon

I was like .....DAMNNNN - the damage output and timing is awesome its one of my fav combos all the time now.

Am lvl 114 and beatan people lvl 140+

Also i got a little tip for people who can use item shop and want amp stuff

(Not sure if it works on other servers but it does on jupiter)

Looking for mystic or osm - Magic Amp on Jupiter is like hoping to get a amp lvl 2 enchant lol its bloody nuts , been tryin past few days offering the best prices like 80kk + but still cant find any.....

So i decided , screw this and went for Titanium Amp - MUCH EASIER to find - you lose like what? 15+ def ? but in pvp 15 def is peanuts

Once you have Tit Amp 1 slot - buy an extender from item shop and make it 2 slot and amp to 7% hehe :)

Will be sticking to tit amp armor now jus need helmet and gloves amp and maybe orbs but i prefer my topex+6 x 2 orbs

I have right now 824 Magic - with 15% thats some insane amp :woot_jump:

*still looking for helmet and gloves tit amp* and BOS+2 :smokin:

[Junco]

Ok im master now ( didnt play for a while) And whent pvp.
I got Chain explosion/Water Cannon/Stone Cannon/Fire Cannon.

Do i need to get Lightning cannon also and put it on the last of the combo ? till i got GM?

[inguramatii]

Very interesting things people find here :)

[leetforums]

Well.. i was talking to some guy, you might know him, goes by the name of ScarletWitch.. so anyway, he told me that GM > cannon > lance was outdated and he devised a new combo with which he beat the best players on mercury... he's lvl 135 and he said he would kill any 150+ in 7 hits.. Well.. he didn't wanna tell me his combo, but i was just wondering if anyone got a better combo than the GM > cannon > lance because thats only effective up untill trans.. after that you kinda need a better combo imho..

[Saikkara]

Well.. i was talking to some guy, you might know him, goes by the name of ScarletWitch.. so anyway, he told me that GM > cannon > lance was outdated and he devised a new combo with which he beat the best players on mercury... he's lvl 135 and he said he would kill any 150+ in 7 hits.. Well.. he didn't wanna tell me his combo, but i was just wondering if anyone got a better combo than the GM > cannon > lance because thats only effective up untill trans.. after that you kinda need a better combo imho..

who is this guy?

i wanna PvP him =P

7 hits combo? sounds weired o0

sure that at certain amount of magic and amp, gm isnt usefull any more and its better to go for a pure cannon - lances combo. All lvl20 cause of amp, but i think 5 skills would be enough...
maybe a lances only combo, because of cast time?

[leetforums]

He posted here on the forum cause hes account got stolen.. he changed it's pass but he's got a naked char with 20k honour now..

Anyway.. he told me that only him and AznToadJr (he also has a char AzNWizard, both 152+) know this combo, and it's the best combo in the game.. (he spent 30kk just setting the levels of the skills) he did not want to tell me this combo altough he did mention that even if you knew the order of the skills, the combo still wouldn't work because every skill needed to be at specific level in order for the combo not to break...

He said that if you inversed the combo (cast the skills from finish to start) the combo would break -- dunno if this is possible lol :D

I guess you also had to delay some skills on the combo bar for them to work

Ah well.. guess you'll have to pvp Azn. as he's the only one with this combo

This made me very curios.. i mean.. a lvl 135 trans/master with 850 magic, 2500 hp, could beat the best players in this game weird heh ^_^
(He told me he used double slotted osmium with crafted amp, all +6 -- he had 44% amp and 700 defense)

I don't think he was joking cause i know friends of his and even him for a while.. plus he wouldn't really have a reason :)

PS: if you find out what the combo is, tell me ^_^

[teamviewer]

Best pvp combo gm(9lvl)>stone cannon(18lvl)>fire cannon(18lvl)>linghnigh(18lvl) b:shades:

[Tailchakra]

Best pvp combo gm(9lvl)>stone cannon(18lvl)>fire cannon(18lvl)>linghnigh(18lvl) b:shades:

True.. but you could use some lances too

[Saikkara]

Best pvp combo gm(9lvl)>stone cannon(18lvl)>fire cannon(18lvl)>linghnigh(18lvl) b:shades:

nope!

cannons lvl 18 is waste of amp...
lightning is waste of time...

[Shan-X]

Stone cannon has awesome DPs at lvl 20 so keep it at that :)

[teamviewer]

Man that best combo! :D and all you wrong.
gm(9lvl)>stone cannon(18lvl)>fire cannon(18lvl)>linghnigh(18lvl)

[Tailchakra]

No it really is a waste that lightning..

GM 9 > Tera Lance > Stone Cannon > Fire Lance > Fire cannon

Really is the best

[takolin]

No it really is a waste that lightning..

GM 9 > Tera Lance > Stone Cannon > Fire Lance > Fire cannon

Really is the best

2nd best.
Terra lance > stone cannon > fire lance > fire cannon > other lance/cannon until your sure that your target is dead with your GM as finisher provided you do enough damage.

[Tailchakra]

I'll try to do that, but im only focusing on my combo if im PvP'ing cos my eyes aren't that well ^^ So i dont know when finisher lol

[leetforums]

you pvp him once, and count the number of skills it takes to kill him, and you replace the last skill or last 2 skills (depends on the damage) with gm lvl 12 :)

That way you kill him 0.8 seconds faster, and that really matters, in close pvp-matches(when opponents are pretty much just as strong as eachother)

[Wizardas]

i am using g m 9 lvl, stone canon 19 lvl, aqua canon 20 lvl fire canon 19 lvl... and i don't havy any bigger problems..

[overclocked]

a lvl 135 trans/master with 850 magic, 2500 hp, could beat the best players in this game weird heh ^_^
(He told me he used double slotted osmium with crafted amp, all +6 -- he had 44% amp and 700 defense)

I don't think he was joking cause i know friends of his and even him for a while.. plus he wouldn't really have a reason :)


lol dude he's got 44% amp, and lol max is 45%BTW for wizz, and 700 def lol kind of high don't you think, like a martial blader?, so yeah its normal to beat almost any guy with that much amp and def, and with a common combo from cannons and lances.
he had to be honor class 8 too, and had to wear 2 x bos+4 and topaz or mithrill orb with amp in slot, so alot of magic =dmg 2 , to own that much amp.

[Frostitute]

lol dude he's got 44% amp, and lol max is 45%BTW for wizz, and 700 def lol kind of high don't you think, like a martial blader?, so yeah its normal to beat almost any guy with that much amp and def, and with a common combo from cannons and lances.
he had to be honor class 8 too, and had to wear 2 x bos+4 and topaz or mithrill orb with amp in slot, so alot of magic =dmg 2 , to own that much amp.

45% isn't max :P

Titanium Extended set - 28%
2 x BoS+2 Slotted - 14%
EOS+7 - 4%

That's 46% already :) 56% with Magic Amp orbs, 60% if they're extended.

[overclocked]

hmm i was talking about a normal set who almost any wizz can get if he has the cash, not extended one:) good luck finding titanium with amp in slot:) or osmium or mystic +7% crafted ( no one sales that) or bTW you mentioned bos+2 slotted, ownator had one for sale, damn that is rare and expensive. First that i saw oin about 6 month of playing.
lets not talk about slot extender high for the orbs, cause i presume you wont use 2x pheristin,cause you loose a lot of magic.

[Frostitute]

hmm i was talking about a normal set, not extended one:) good luck finding titanium with amp in slot:) or osmium and mystic +7% crafted ( no one sales that) or bTW you mentioned bos+2 slotted, ownator had one for sale damn that is rare and expensive. First that i saw oin about 6 month of playing.

It may be hard to get past 45%, but it doesn't mean that's the maximum...

[overclocked]

It may be hard to get past 45%, but it doesn't mean that's the maximum...

replace hard with almost impossible right now, with current drops, and you are right, i only know Cain(aka Trapez) who past that limit

[mrmarksous]

Amp isn't everything ;), you can still kick some a**es without 40+% amp

[mrmarksous]

You are right ... Amp isn't EVERYTHING (100%) ..... it's just 99% of what you need :D .... Frankly, i think that for that 1% differential i will stack amp :)

But you can indeed kick arses without 40+ amp (use crits :D)

HP + leech can save you as well ...

[Tailchakra]

Will bots + suit .. amp glvoes + helm ^^

[leetforums]

bEST COMBO:

shield ray > GM > BOJ > A.M = beats anyone

[Harju]

Wrong char and you are playing in KR. :p