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eonomus
13-09-2007, 09:09
i have found a site that gives you the cool time etc for each skill depending on that skills lvl. but im stumped still can not figure out what will be the best lvl for each skill and whats the best combo

i currently use

Lower defence debuff - 39 defence lvl 20
Dash 2 target or away alittle
combo start
Force Assault 2 get closer if i need 2 lvl 20
Dance of ruin bring total defence to - 65 for 8 seconds (next 2 skills) lvl 20
Infernal impact lvl 9 cool time 7.9 second. lvl 20 = 16 seconds
Infernal stigma lvl 19 cool time 8.5 seconds lvl 20 = 10.2 seconds
Force impact lvl 18 cool time 8.9 seconds lvl 20 = 12 seconds

Last 3 i repeat till target is dead or i am :)

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Finalmix
13-09-2007, 09:17
It sounds good but my problem is the casting time.....

I now use fade step, Abyssal Crystal [20], force assualt [20] force slash [20] G Master [1] (so far, but im planning to make it 9) Dance of ruin [20] Force Impact [20] as a finisher.




edit* my bad i thought your combo was for pvp
vaclav87
13-09-2007, 10:30
don't know how it is in FB, but blader's assault don't have any skill amp. ad putting it on lvl 9 is waste of points. so if FB's force assault doesnt have sword amp too, i think you should invest those points somewhere else.
takolin
13-09-2007, 12:23
don't know how it is in FB, but blader's assault don't have any skill amp. ad putting it on lvl 9 is waste of points. so if FB's force assault doesnt have sword amp too, i think you should invest those points somewhere else.

IIRC it has a dot effect, but I could be wrong and knowing dot stack you'll focus on delayed damage.
eonomus
13-09-2007, 15:41
Points spare 124......
Makizushi
13-09-2007, 22:52
Surely the defense debuff and Dance of ruin defense debuff don't stack? I've never tried so I can't say, can anyone confirm this?
Jimbu
13-09-2007, 23:30
Surely the defense debuff and Dance of ruin defense debuff don't stack? I've never tried so I can't say, can anyone confirm this?

I believe they do but the atk debuffs are passive and you will only see the effect through dmg.

This is from the fact that blind does stack with the effects of abyssal crystal which is very effective on bosses.
blackened
13-09-2007, 23:42
don't know how it is in FB, but blader's assault don't have any skill amp. ad putting it on lvl 9 is waste of points. so if FB's force assault doesnt have sword amp too, i think you should invest those points somewhere else.

FB assault has dot; it also works if you wanna get close to your target, it has built-in dash.
Alwin
14-09-2007, 05:15
I lately tested if Dance of ruin and Illusion stab would stack, but it dousn't. it just switches.

I guess the same goes for the buff & skill.

But debuffing in 1o1 pvp gets you killed anyway.
-0mega-
14-09-2007, 07:42
Unless you're fighting a nub melee character that decides to run up to you (from distance).

In which case you won't lose any time. (Though I guess you could've also used a few cannons in the time you debuffed)
Ghostwalker
14-09-2007, 10:43
I lately tested if Force assault and Illusion stab would stack, but it dousn't. it just switches.

I guess the same goes for the buff & skill.

But debuffing in 1o1 pvp gets you killed anyway.

Obviously they will not stack. Illusion Stab lowers the def and Force Assault has dot. Force Assault and Force Slash for example stack the dot effect. That is why i assume that Illusion Stab and Dance of Ruin will also stack.
Alwin
15-09-2007, 12:29
Obviously they will not stack. Illusion Stab lowers the def and Force Assault has dot. Force Assault and Force Slash for example stack the dot effect. That is why i assume that Illusion Stab and Dance of Ruin will also stack.

Oh sorry, I actually ment dance of ruin and illusion stab.
My bad ^^

and no, they don't stack. tried it

This guy had 670 def. when i used dance of ruin (-29) it went to 641.
Then when i used illustion stab (-27) it went to 643, so they just switch
Makizushi
20-09-2007, 06:44
I tested the defense debuff and Dance of Ruin on a friend and found that the effects do stack. :) I'm assuming that the effects of magic skill debuffs + sword skill effects stack but sword skill effects do not stack together.

So:
Blind +Abysmal Crystal
Lower defense + Dance of Ruin
Lower defense + Illusion stab

Would have an effect but

Lower defense+ Illusion stab + Dance of ruin would not stack, with the last skill overriding the effects of the former.

And of course DoTs stack as well but will only have effect during PVP and not PVE.
Fuij
26-09-2007, 21:47
I should've read this thread earlier, i just maxed my illusion, hoped it could work together with dance of illusion+debuff def. (-29-29-39)= -97def T_T...)


what should be better, a -def combo or dot combo?
Alwin
27-09-2007, 10:48
A dot combo combined with dmg & lowering def.

Mostly i use Force assault & force slash togheter.
I could use Force impact after, but because of the high cast time i tend to die against most people (mainly FA & WI)
So in most cases i just do assault, slash then i do dance or ruin followed with gm.

Although i wonder why some people use abyssal crystal in pvp. I mean other then filling your time (for combo) it's not really affective in 1o1 pvp