View Full Version : wizards need changes now!!!
-First- I think that our defense buff is ridiculous, only add 29 points.That and nothing are the same.Thinking that we have the lowest defense, that buff needs to be improve.
-Second- I think that we need a new buff too, like anyone that adds for example:
1000 hp for 30 sec, defense rate, hit rate...
-Third-Retired (bad idea).
+1 if you are agree.
-1 if you arent agree.
Plz dont post ****** things without signification.And if you have a wizard you will undestand me.
Merry Christmas
Astheroth
24-12-2008, 19:44
-1 FA's def sux too, but both wi and fa arent meelee classes so I dont see point in more def
Miyoharu
24-12-2008, 19:47
-First- I think that our defense buff is ridiculous, only add 29 points.That and nothing are the same.Thinking that we have the lowest defense, that buff needs to be improve.
agree sometimes i just skip it and dont feel the difference
+1
-Second- I think that we need a new buff too, like anyone that adds for example:
1000 hp for 30 sec, defense rate, hit rate...
a normal duration def rate buff like fa one would be nice indeed.
+1
-Third-Our cane has to be summoned like FAīs astral weapon, or FSīshield. This way it will add defense, attack... plus that the orb adds alone.
pls no
Is so damn annoying having to summon shield/bow everytime.
-1
-1 : Our def is good, we're wizard, we're not supposed to have more def than that. That buff don't give much def, but still, I don't see why it should be increased.
-1 : No new buff, if you need HP, Def rate and Hit Rate, ask a FA. [Although, I have to admit that we do need a little more def rate than the amount we have now, but oh well...]
-1 : No, I don't want it to be summoned, it's boring to have to summon an astral weapon before being able to cast skills.
Play FA, and you'll see that in TG and war channel, it's annoying.
-1 FA's def sux too, but both wi and fa arent meelee classes so I dont see point in more def
I cant talk about FA because i havent FA, so my opinion is that. If FAs have the same problem we will fight in the same war.
-1 : No new buff, if you need HP, Def rate and Hit Rate, ask a FA. [Although, I have to admit that we do need a little more def rate than the amount we have now, but oh well...]
But if we always need a FA, we cant go alone XD. And if we always have to go with somebody, it can stop us to do something.
ut if we always need a FA, we cant go alone XD. And if we always have to go with somebody, it can stop us to do something.
That's kinda the point here.
It's a MMORPG. Means community, means guildmates, means teamwork.
If you really wanna do things alone, make a lonely lonely blader that can solo everything. Emo way of life :o
ThunderDome
24-12-2008, 20:25
Wa need changes to !!
adnianeraregiN
24-12-2008, 20:30
-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 to all.
I don't need to explain myself, your suggestions already explain themselves.
we rock even without that buffs but lil more def would be nice :)
StefMcKrajnc
24-12-2008, 20:38
-1 for both sugestion, what wi need is probably same hp from battle style then fa or maybe a bit less.
High lvl WIs(with def buff and 2*def rate, 1* def upgrade) have almost same def and higher def rate then fa(with def rate buff and 2* def, 1* def rate upgrade).
At lvl 162(I know it is high but still) WI has (with gear included and with upgrades stated above) maybe 5 def less then FA same lvl and around 600(or even more) def rate more.
And i still beleive in pve WI has advantage in stun and as seen in def/def rate but lower hp but in pvp maybe FA has has advatage due to a bit faster skills, maybe more rate and that ~300 hp more.
Wa need changes to !!
Ye give us a critrate, critdmg, amp, defrate etc buffs!
Anyway lol, well WI doesn't need much more def, but a defrate buff would be really nice.
adnianeraregiN
24-12-2008, 20:53
Hmm wait a sec, I just had a brainstorm!
Remove AoS from FA and give it to WI. Also remove the unmovable from it.
Sounds like a plan! Am I right or am I right?
Miyoharu
24-12-2008, 21:13
Hmm wait a sec, I just had a brainstorm!
Remove AoS from FA and give it to WI. Also remove the unmovable from it.
Sounds like a plan! Am I right or am I right?
1st they need to give us execration.
Also 1800 secs Intuition (90% flee rate) for WIs would be nice. Maybe Mana freeze would be useful too.
-1 FA's def sux too, but both wi and fa arent meelee classes so I dont see point in more def
I got wizard and force archer so let me say this. FA's got a lot more range than wizards. (Wizards mostly go to range 1 since we use energy field or artic field etc.) But FA stays at range 8 or even at 9 if he uses eagle eye. And FA's got knockback buff so it almost 100% that mobs will knockback, so mobs never come so close as for wizard.
-1, stop whinning, if you dislike wizzard make other char or stop cabal.
I want a char with 1000def, amp buff, flee buff, good bm2, good def rate, good bm1, huge atack, absorb...
Stop, each char has its own pro and con, you don't like yours? make other char.
Archontas
25-12-2008, 00:33
-1
A wizard is a char with LOW hp AND Def but strong damage and stunlock (not to mention sp buff and amplify magic)
If you want more defence and hp go make a warrior or a Fs
wi doesnt need change
GORYNYCH
25-12-2008, 00:59
-1
A wizard is a char with LOW hp AND Def but strong damage and stunlock (not to mention sp buff and amplify magic)
If you want more defence and hp go make a warrior or a Fs
wi doesnt need change
:laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:
You are funny, ESTsoft finaly killed wizards like dmg dealers, it's just a char-support, SP-cow only.:punish:
That's why I leaved my wizard and begane make BL now.
Thank you for all, how tried to save wizard's power. :victory:
http://forum.cabalonline.com/showthread.php?t=80511
Give them immunity also and flee
hansybansy
25-12-2008, 02:17
well, i dont think wi should have much more def. wi is supposed to be weak def. weakest def, ok if it has to be... weakest hp, too? oh well...
but here is the thing, wi is now even weak to put out dmg. we def. need some stats like fa gets with summoning bow. like 10% crit rate, that would balance wizards back to "ok" dmg dealers.
i think the very first thing for estsoft is to STOP NERFING WIZARDS. the second thing is, to stop making bladers even stronger. then start balance it.
-1, stop whinning, if you dislike wizzard make other char or stop cabal.
I want a char with 1000def, amp buff, flee buff, good bm2, good def rate, good bm1, huge atack, absorb...
Stop, each char has its own pro and con, you don't like yours? make other char.
besides absorb, whatever you mean with that, you were talking about blader. no wait, you didnt, you wrote good bm2, blader has very good bm2 and very good bm1. my bad!
-1, stop whinning, if you dislike wizzard make other char or stop cabal.
I want a char with 1000def, amp buff, flee buff, good bm2, good def rate, good bm1, huge atack, absorb...
Stop, each char has its own pro and con, you don't like yours? make other char.
That is just like blader expect the absorb buff. You can almost reach the 1000def with good mithril amp parts so you don't even lack dmg.
NikkyNicole
25-12-2008, 18:02
-First- I think that our defense buff is ridiculous, only add 29 points.That and nothing are the same.Thinking that we have the lowest defense, that buff needs to be improve.
-Second- I think that we need a new buff too, like anyone that adds for example:
1000 hp for 30 sec, defense rate, hit rate...
-Third-Retired (bad idea).
+1 if you are agree.
-1 if you arent agree.
Plz dont post ****** things without signification.And if you have a wizard you will undestand me.
Merry Christmas
-1 Fa's have lower def then WI's:ok: also WI's got around 100 more or less def rate then a FA and still got more def for sure:ok:
Wizzards:
1000 def - no
amp buff - yes
flee rate buff - no
good bm2 - yes
good bm1 - yes (bm1+aura - two crits from my 163 lvl friend and I'm almost dead)
good def rate - no
hugh attack - yes (same friend, 900+ magic with 2x pher orbs)
Bladers, 7x yes, so it's 7-4
and now:
good regen buff - yes
party buffs - yes
+blink
7-7! ;o
Blader is strong, no doubt, but wizzard isn't weak also. Every class has advantages and disadvantages. For all those whiners: you wan't to play wizzard and act as a tank?
Wizzards:
1000 def - no
amp buff - yes
flee rate buff - no
good bm2 - yes
good bm1 - yes (bm1+aura - two crits from my 163 lvl friend and I'm almost dead)
good def rate - no
hugh attack - yes (same friend, 900+ magic with 2x pher orbs)
Bladers, 7x yes, so it's 7-4
and now:
good regen buff - yes
party buffs - yes
+blink
7-7! ;o
Blader is strong, no doubt, but wizzard isn't weak also. Every class has advantages and disadvantages. For all those whiners: you wan't to play wizzard and act as a tank?
Bladers have way more better bm1 than wizards. And you can't compare those things as you did. And what goes for the high magic you have to be almost 170lvl with eos+8 and +9 orbs to reach that magic. And how high would be bladers attack with those items? I guess more, but it's not about the attack/magic, it's about the DMG what they deal. And bladers deal more dmg.
And bladers beat every class in PVE/Solo and that's the truth.
justiiin
25-12-2008, 18:53
I want blades too.
Blades look hawt.
NikkyNicole
25-12-2008, 19:44
Bladers have way more better bm1 than wizards. And you can't compare those things as you did. And what goes for the high magic you have to be almost 170lvl with eos+8 and +9 orbs to reach that magic. And how high would be bladers attack with those items? I guess more, but it's not about the attack/magic, it's about the DMG what they deal. And bladers deal more dmg.
And bladers beat every class in PVE/Solo and that's the truth.
Lol Simonen there is no way a BL could own a WI at dps in PvP with same equip >.>
About PvE BL deal just too much dmg .......
Also bm1 BL is very good yes but somehow it sux in pve and also in pvp (when no crits can be very annoying lol even with 50%rate just from bm1 not critting is still possible)
Lol Simonen there is no way a BL could own a WI at dps in PvP with same equip >.>
About PvE BL deal just too much dmg .......
Also bm1 BL is very good yes but somehow it sux in pve and also in pvp (when no crits can be very annoying lol even with 50%rate just from bm1 not critting is still possible)
What about in BM2+all buffs? I'm sure bladers do more dmg in bm2+aura+all buffs than wizard with bm2+aura+amp buff.
hansybansy
25-12-2008, 19:52
Wizzards:
1000 def - no
amp buff - yes
flee rate buff - no
good bm2 - yes
good bm1 - yes (bm1+aura - two crits from my 163 lvl friend and I'm almost dead)
good def rate - no
hugh attack - yes (same friend, 900+ magic with 2x pher orbs)
Bladers, 7x yes, so it's 7-4
and now:
good regen buff - yes
party buffs - yes
+blink
7-7! ;o
Blader is strong, no doubt, but wizzard isn't weak also. Every class has advantages and disadvantages. For all those whiners: you wan't to play wizzard and act as a tank?
i dont know if you're trolling or just not so smart (or most probaly never played a wizard). comparing a banana with an elefant is ******. like 7 - 4 then say add two buffs + blink and you think its even? are you kidding me?
roflmao at bm1 + aura from wizard vs bladers bm1 + aura.
that is like bl >>>>>>>>>> wizard. you failed horrible there again.
no one wants wizard to be tank, but lets face it, wizards get constantly nerfed, even when there are far away from being something great besides bm2 attack, which got nerfed ofc. what about bladers bm2 attack? its devastating, why no nerf?
bladers = pve god, whoever doubts that knows nothing about this game. and what happened? a blader attack got even made stronger for pve after the last update, very smart! (sarcasm, fyi)
We either need more dmg output or other classes need def/hp nerf or dmg nerf in pvp.
It's just ridicolous, a wa lvl 140+ against same lvl wi with equal stuff will end up wa wins 90% of duels ... wa's downbreaker is kinda OP too, you can do sh.it if your in his combo stucked in beeing knockdowned...
say what ya want, thats a fact and wi only win with better stuff and crit luck, wa need to crit comp+gm and they win, even if they wear clean osm ... cabal sucks for that...
bl can 2hit me and iam far from beeing low level, bl wasnt much higher either, their crit just suck, i mean they need to crit 1/3 of their skills to finish us, we need to crit 9/10.
I think that they should take everything from everyone and put it into blader. Bladers are to weak!
agree sometimes i just skip it and dont feel the difference
+1
a normal duration def rate buff like fa one would be nice indeed.
+1
pls no
Is so damn annoying having to summon shield/bow everytime.
-1
i agree.....
NikkyNicole
25-12-2008, 19:58
What about in BM2+all buffs? I'm sure bladers do more dmg in bm2+aura+all buffs than wizard with bm2+aura+amp buff.
Kay maybe at that 1 but the only very good thing a BL has in bm2 is that annoying crushing blow.
But anyway cant u WI's just have enough of bming all the the time in PvP :dash1: ?
I admit that in TG bm's are very needed but not in normal pvp....
to say fa is weak too isn't an argue btw ... who cares if fa is weak as well? than boost both ... instead boosting close ranger even more, cmon.
nerf fa > say hey wi sucks as well.
nerf wi > say hey fa sucks as well.
boost bl > say now it's fair, 1hit for ft b1f mobs, not only 2hit.
wow n1 comunnity.
Kay maybe at that 1 but the only very good thing a BL has in bm2 is that annoying crushing blow.
your so new ... if blader doesnt crit with crushing blow, he will knockdown you and hit you 5-6 times, if hes lucky with crits you're finished, if not he casts gm and ur done, if not the bl is a ******.
to say fa is weak too isn't an argue btw ... who cares if fa is weak as well? than boost both ... instead boosting close ranger even more, cmon.
nerf fa > say hey wi sucks as well.
nerf wi > say hey fa sucks as well.
boost bl > say now it's fair, 1hit for ft b1f mobs, not only 2hit.
wow n1 comunnity.
your so new ... if blader doesnt crit with crushing blow, he will knockdown you and hit you 5-6 times, if hes lucky with crits you're finished, if not he casts gm and ur done, if not the bl is a ******.
FA got heal and knockback buff, that's enough said. FA's are also ranged (wizard completer skill range 4, AF 3, EF 1? You call that ranged?) I have to say I love wizard's bm2, but imo FA > WI.
NikkyNicole
25-12-2008, 20:07
to say fa is weak too isn't an argue btw ... who cares if fa is weak as well? than boost both ... instead boosting close ranger even more, cmon.
nerf fa > say hey wi sucks as well.
nerf wi > say hey fa sucks as well.
boost bl > say now it's fair, 1hit for ft b1f mobs, not only 2hit.
wow n1 comunnity.
your so new ... if blader doesnt crit with crushing blow, he will knockdown you and hit you 5-6 times, if hes lucky with crits you're finished, if not he casts gm and ur done, if not the bl is a ******. Im not new u smart *** ever heard of fading when he is doing that skill to not get knocked down ?
Its true he can still knock u down with the claws but thats a risk to take but evading crushing blow when its not CRITTING is quite easy u stress too much when seeing those claws :punish:
There is something I can't understand, if you find blader so good and so UBER, why don't you make a new char instead of whinning in 80% of wizzard tread???
Im not new u smart *** ever heard of fading when he is doing that skill to not get knocked down ?
Its true he can still knock u down with the claws but thats a risk to take but evading crushing blow when its not CRITTING is quite easy u stress too much when seeing those claws :punish:
yep you're new, otherwise you wouldn't say such bullsh.it like fading ... omg every evaded a crushing blow by fading it? loooooool I cant get over it.
And I said, if he doesn't crit on you with crushign blow, IT WILL KNOCK YOU DOWN and he will kill ya with claws BEFORE you even stand up again, that has noting to do with claws beeing able to knockdown you as well, even if its true, so what?
FA got heal and knockback buff, that's enough said. FA's are also ranged (wizard completer skill range 4, AF 3, EF 1? You call that ranged?) I have to say I love wizard's bm2, but imo FA > WI.
I got a FA myself, atm same lvl like my wi and I didnt say fa arn't good.
I just said wi AND fa are both not as strong as others, those two classes are the losers of EP2 patch.
There is something I can't understand, if you find blader so good and so UBER, why don't you make a new char instead of whinning in 80% of wizzard tread???
what a ******** ****** question ... if you're jew and a crhist comes akross, should the jew become christ as well 'coz maybe he will be killed if a new ****** was born?
I like my wi, but I don't like how they thead the wi ... why should I start a char I disklike, only 'coz hes uber? THAN there's no need for more class than one.
There is something I can't understand, if you find blader so good and so UBER, why don't you make a new char instead of whinning in 80% of wizzard tread???
For some people making new char costs them a lot of time and sometimes a money for premiums etc. Some people don't want to repeat everything from the beginning because they find it boring. Other don't want to start a new char because they expecting balanced game instead of 80% people playing same class as them. No matter which class someone is playing this game should be more balanced then it is now.
Wizzards:
1000 def - no
amp buff - yes
flee rate buff - no
good bm2 - yes
good bm1 - yes (bm1+aura - two crits from my 163 lvl friend and I'm almost dead)
good def rate - no
hugh attack - yes (same friend, 900+ magic with 2x pher orbs)
Bladers, 7x yes, so it's 7-4
and now:
good regen buff - yes
party buffs - yes
+blink
7-7! ;o
Blader is strong, no doubt, but wizzard isn't weak also. Every class has advantages and disadvantages. For all those whiners: you wan't to play wizzard and act as a tank?
i dknow if you're trolling or just not so smart (or most probaly never played a wizardont ). comparing a banana with an elefant is ******. like 7 - 4 then say add two buffs + blink and you think its even? are you kidding me?
roflmao at bm1 + aura from wizard vs bladers bm1 + aura.
that is like bl >>>>>>>>>> wizard. you failed horrible there again.
no one wants wizard to be tank, but lets face it, wizards get constantly nerfed, even when there are far away from being something great besides bm2 attack, which got nerfed ofc. what about bladers bm2 attack? its devastating, why no nerf?
bladers = pve god, whoever doubts that knows nothing about this game. and what happened? a blader attack got even made stronger for pve after the last update, very smart! (sarcasm, fyi)
Hello mr. smart-***, I've marked that we're taking about buffs too. It was MY answer to one of the previous post.
I have low lvl wi - lvl 48 (writing this cuz dunno if you're enough smart to check it in my profile). And do you have a BL?
KapitanNapleta
25-12-2008, 21:56
-1 FA's def sux too, but both wi and fa arent meelee classes so I dont see point in more def
ah range...
that seems so useful against unstunable mobs or force kick.
wtt range for def
and again more unbalanced cabal? no ty...
1st of all, I think we should get something new (not just ****** gfx effects like new staff). Yes maybe a new buff or something. Or stat increase from battle style ups, maybe more def, maybe more hp?
and again more unbalanced cabal? no ty...
Unbalance? I guess you don't even know the class wizard. And FYI FA>WI. FA's got same amount of def, more hp, knockback buff, AOS (maybe the best trans buff), heal, good bm2 (better in 1vs1 or 1vs2 than wizard's bm2). Please come tell your opinnions then when you have played the class.
And yeah FA's got more range. FA's usually fight in range 8 or 9 (depending if you are using eagle eye or not) and wizards, hmm let's think range 1? Since most of our skills has range < 4 we have to get close to the mobs.
And another ****** gfx update is coming for us soon. The weapon "costumes" bought from CC will have effect on the staff (like they do have effect on FA's bow, atleast some of them). What's that for? Bleh bring us something else than just new graphics.
wizzards dont need nothing atm..maybe the fix of the dmg bug...but the only magic class which should get now is FA (healing during combo):)
wizzards dont need nothing atm..maybe the fix of the dmg bug...but the only magic class which should get now is FA (healing during combo):)
Maybe, and that was in the patch notes same time as FT B2F came if I'm not mistaken. So we should have it already, as the buffs/debuffs in combo too..
But think about it again. It would be almost impossible to kill FA in 1vs1 situation (he just keeps healing himself when he's at low hp and then you are dead at some point).
Maybe, and that was in the patch notes same time as FT B2F came if I'm not mistaken. So we should have it already, as the buffs/debuffs in combo too..
But think about it again. It would be almost impossible to kill FA in 1vs1 situation (he just keeps healing himself when he's at low hp and then you are dead at some point).
maybe in pvp they will dissable this i dont care...i just need this killing for boss hunts and dungeons...as i cant combo coz i need heal others;/
or break my combo each time...
NikkyNicole
25-12-2008, 23:42
yep you're new, otherwise you wouldn't say such bullsh.it like fading ... omg every evaded a crushing blow by fading it? loooooool I cant get over it.
And I said, if he doesn't crit on you with crushign blow, IT WILL KNOCK YOU DOWN and he will kill ya with claws BEFORE you even stand up again, that has noting to do with claws beeing able to knockdown you as well, even if its true, so what
Im not new are u ****** or something learn how to fade/dash/blink at the right moment 1vs1 so u will be not knocked down.(there is a way lol)
Btw i didnt say u wouldnt get damaged u dummy i said fade to not be knockdown only problem is not to be knockeddown while she/he uses fast claws but once u started combo u are saved if u can tank her/him ofc :laugh1:.
So pls stop whining and go learn pvp instead:don-t_mention:.
Also while fading u can annoy him by always making her/him retargeting u and while fading at the right moment u can even avoid being knockdown and dash/blink as far as possible and start cannon spamming again like u want.
BTW WHY DID U TAKE WI IF WI REQUIRES A BRAIN AND U DONT HAVE 1 dummy :girl_hide:
U really are Pfffffffffffff u even took almost the same name u ****** lol .^^
maybe in pvp they will dissable this i dont care...i just need this killing for boss hunts and dungeons...as i cant combo coz i need heal others;/
or break my combo each time...
Ehh... In pvp? This doesn't make much sense, since in PVP you can't even use heal (non combo), so why you should be able to use it in combo? Or are you saying that when a person attack you (in warmap) you enter to this "PVP" situation, and then you couldn't use it in combo? Same as return stones? You can't use them in PVP situation, only then when no1 is attacking you.
If you ment the last one it would be prolly hard code it (not really, but if they just wouldn't restrict it, the work would be 200% easier.)
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Im not new are u ****** or something learn how to fade/dash/blink at the right moment 1vs1 so u will be not knocked down.(there is a way lol)
Btw i didnt say u wouldnt get damaged u dummy i said fade to not be knockdown only problem is not to be knockeddown while she/he uses fast claws but once u started combo u are saved if u can tank her/him ofc :laugh1:.
So pls stop whining and go learn pvp instead:don-t_mention:.
Also while fading u can annoy him by always making her/him retargeting u and while fading at the right moment u can even avoid being knockdown and dash/blink as far as possible and start cannon spamming again like u want.
BTW WHY DID U TAKE WI IF WI REQUIRES A BRAIN AND U DONT HAVE 1 dummy :girl_hide:
U really are Pfffffffffffff u even took almost the same name u ****** lol .^^
You really think that it's hard to retarget lol? Move your mouse a bit and click, so simple. And you fade step always to the same direction, so it ain't hard to guess where you are going.
And it ain't so hard to beat a blader in bm2, just use knockback skills so he can't stand up (by using combo), and if he hits you on the ground just continue your combo untill he is down again. But the crushing blow is just.... Even the cooldown is low. You can use it many times in bm2. And you can 1hit almost all of the wizards (not in bm2) if you crit.
hansybansy
25-12-2008, 23:44
Hello mr. smart-***, I've marked that we're taking about buffs too. It was MY answer to one of the previous post.
I have low lvl wi - lvl 48 (writing this cuz dunno if you're enough smart to check it in my profile). And do you have a BL?
hi tro**.
nice to see you give blader 1 point for flee rate buff, and wizard 1 point for, and i quote "good regen buff". i think you should give the wizard also 1 point for the fugly stick / stab, then wizard > blader!!!!!11
i have no bl, but a guildie is bl. same lvl btw. i know what he was and is capable of doing so far. then i read what bl can solo, unless the whole official forum is spread with lies (and fake screenshots + vids), you can not deny that blader is THE pve player. then i compare that to wizards screenshots + vids + facts.
pve bl >>>> wi.
pvp in 1on1, bl has the one attack with highest reach (which is really funny btw and very balanced). safe to say, after closing distance + more dmg dealer = win (if both play at same lv, skill and have both same balanced equip)
lets continue this real comparision.
bl vs wi in bm2 in 1on1, blader hits in the begining without getting hurt thx to flee rate buff. bladers bm2 attack = pure dmg.
your bm1 + aura you mentioned, also a guilde told me about what bladers get. from what i've remember, blader bm1 + aura >> wizard bm1 + aura.
nuff said.
Senseless
25-12-2008, 23:47
Or healing during combo, or a HP increase -.-' for fa.
Or healing during combo, or a HP increase -.-' for fa.
Read my post lol, no1 couldn't take down a skilled FA. And since you don't even have to target yourself to heal, it would be way too easy to win in 1vs1 for FA's. And FA's already got more HP than wizards ._.
NikkyNicole
26-12-2008, 00:10
Ehh... In pvp? This doesn't make much sense, since in PVP you can't even use heal (non combo), so why you should be able to use it in combo? Or are you saying that when a person attack you (in warmap) you enter to this "PVP" situation, and then you couldn't use it in combo? Same as return stones? You can't use them in PVP situation, only then when no1 is attacking you.
If you ment the last one it would be prolly hard code it (not really, but if they just wouldn't restrict it, the work would be 200% easier.)
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You really think that it's hard to retarget lol? Move your mouse a bit and click, so simple. And you fade step always to the same direction, so it ain't hard to guess where you are going.
And it ain't so hard to beat a blader in bm2, just use knockback skills so he can't stand up (by using combo), and if he hits you on the ground just continue your combo untill he is down again. But the crushing blow is just.... Even the cooldown is low. You can use it many times in bm2. And you can 1hit almost all of the wizards (not in bm2) if you crit. i dont think that it is hard but u do make her/him loose time no flames at u :) only at that pffi that is pffff.....
maybe the fix of the dmg bug
MAYBE???:P
hi tro**.
nice to see you give blader 1 point for flee rate buff, and wizard 1 point for, and i quote "good regen buff". i think you should give the wizard also 1 point for the fugly stick / stab, then wizard > blader!!!!!11
Why i mentioned about about regen buff? Simple - Nation War. With High regen + party regen it's really hard to kill a wizzard.
i have no bl, but a guildie is bl. same lvl btw. i know what he was and is capable of doing so far. then i read what bl can solo, unless the whole official forum is spread with lies (and fake screenshots + vids), you can not deny that blader is THE pve player. then i compare that to wizards screenshots + vids + facts.
pve bl >>>> wi.
Yep, Bladers are pvp gods. Wizzards are good in pve, but it's nothing compared to bladers.
pvp in 1on1, bl has the one attack with highest reach (which is really funny btw and very balanced). safe to say, after closing distance + more dmg dealer = win (if both play at same lv, skill and have both same balanced equip)
Attack with highest reach? Could you explain that? Do you mean Force Kick?
lets continue this real comparision.
bl vs wi in bm2 in 1on1, blader hits in the begining without getting hurt thx to flee rate buff. bladers bm2 attack = pure dmg
In that case a wizzard is dead. But on my lvl flee rate buff last for 45 seconds and the cool down is 300 seconds. + 45 seconds Instant Immunity = 90 seconds with almost "immortality" and 210 secs without those buffs. If any wizzard knock me back and he/she knows how to use blink...I'm dead.
your bm1 + aura you mentioned, also a guilde told me about what bladers get. from what i've remember, blader bm1 + aura >> wizard bm1 + aura.
nuff said.
50% crt dmg + 45% crt rate. So that's right.
I don't get why you all compare WI and FA? Only 'coz both are ranged? I mean both got their advantages and disadvantages, they're quite balanced to each other, in some aspects one of the chars are may better but in general both chars can archieve the same goals.
For wa and BL i.e. it's totally diff. those 2 chars are diff. from fa/wi, they're much stronger and if well played unbeatable, some guys may say that goes for wi too, but in general, considering every situation, the WA/BL is a better allrounder.
I mean you're able to PK som1 if he anoys you just with 1 blow, if you're in bm2 + aura (wa) you get no dmg at all (except bosses), a BL can evade everything due to their fleerate buff and extra buff duration of battlestyle ups makes it even more usefull later on.
A bl can solo many parts of ft with fleerate buff where a WI even with bm2 got a hard time.
Overall FA/WI's, compared to other classes are just weak, especially in pvp, (not considering AOS) fa is the weakest char, except comp cirts, 2nd weakest is wi... I mean a FB (good skilled) can take you down in secs, a BL can 2-3 hit you later on and a WA the same, a FS can take more than half of your life just with 1 comp crit while WI/FA need to crit 60% of their skills, like 6/10 skills crit.
Some ppl may didn't duel real wa/bl/fs ... but wa in mithril got such a sh.itload of def and hp in general, that it's almost impossible to take 'em down, due to their party attack buff (ok not fair considering this but anyway just saying it exist) they can even rape you more, not forgetting their cat's recovery (which pretty good, even if it's worser than WI's reg) and +1k hp buff...
I mean c'mon, give us some 30sec buff which makes us more powerfull, or atleast the buffduration of amp should last longer ... 30 secs and out of it you're knockeddown 20sec... wow.
HardFlipper
26-12-2008, 13:46
99%of youre time in dungeon youre in bm becouse of sp buff so with bm you have the extra deff dont complain.
ps:whatsup with those guys asking millions of alz tho rent them in a dungeon you think you're god or so.:laugh1:
and other classes don't got extra def in bm? just wondering, that is not an argue ... especially not if ur solo or if it comes down ot a pvp.
99%of youre time in dungeon youre in bm becouse of sp buff so with bm you have the extra deff dont complain.
Teach me how can i have bm 99% of dungeon time with sp buff if i am the only WI in party. Maybe You also know how to do this without party? Or maybe try WI first and then say what he can and what he can't?
-1 we have stun lock, owns in War
but we have to many party buffs =/ and i want longer range on them
hansybansy
26-12-2008, 14:36
Yep, Bladers are pvp gods. Wizzards are good in pve, but it's nothing compared to bladers.
Attack with highest reach? Could you explain that? Do you mean Force Kick?
wizards are only good in pve, as long as stun works, after that, they arent really that good.
yes force kick > everything else a wizard has in range, plus stun.
KapitanNapleta
26-12-2008, 14:36
stun in pvp ?:P umm... its very dificult to land a single stun at pvp mode and the more u succesfuly land stuns the harder it gets to stun again, no way to stunlock in pvp
Manowarr
26-12-2008, 16:43
I'd like something like more party buffs, perhaps def/att related or something, just to have anything else that's usefull to pve rather than sp (wich is already freaking usefull but well, one can dream)
so at herms,
Blader:
Buffs:
- Add Damage Buff ( NOW, you can use it with skills which attack more than 1 time,too)
- Flee rate Bbuff
- Sword Amo Buff
- + His regular Buffs ( Sould Blade for example , an attack buff which wiz dont have )
Battle Modes:
- Battle Mode 1 ( rocks for example in chaos arena , you can switch both rol for critical rings )
- Battle Mode 2 ( awesome against bosses, tg ) ( imba with sword amp and add damage buff )
Updates:
- Blader now able to use Add Damage Buff with every skill
- Got stronger, becuase of the Update
...
...
Wizard:
Buffs:
- Magic Amp Buff ( well yes, is good in bm2 only for example bosses )
- Hp Restore [Single] Well yes, 70 hp restore... only useful in tg...
- Hp Restore [Party] well, you have to find a party member in your near, only useful in tg...
- Resist Crit Rate/Dmg Buff, dont use it in PvPīs or you become called a noob, only "useable" in tg and ch 24 ( which really dont helps if a blader use his bm2 skill = your one hit dummy )
- Ehm Hardness and Force Increase...
- Oh hell, im sorry, really i forgot the best buff, Sharpness as wizard, very important it gives you 29 Attack !
- No attack buffs, which he can give hiself.
Battle Modes:
- Bm 1 And Aura Owning? In your dreams only , sry.
- Bm 2 awesome, (was) now lowered attack , and it was the only thing which was good, now gone
Updates:
- As I said, bm2 lowered, No comments.
- Iīm wiz , yes, and of course you will hear that from me, but its the truth,
- A good friend quitted (170 wiz) cause he read the updates notes and had no fun more on wiz.
- And no, iam not whiner, and i know if i equip my wiz good, he will be good.
- If you wanna flame me now, flame me hard, i like it hard. :girl_hide:
regards
Well, looks like we wizzies just have to bear with it until Korean wizzies complain... :(
Nothing more to add, RayJ said everything.
QFT.
MoeRambo
26-12-2008, 18:31
+200 to ray's post
But WI is still good in soloing everything except ft2 and eod b2f (never made all trolls in time :S)...
For me no reason to quit, but some new stuffz to make us WIs better wouldn't be that wrong :black_eye:
But WI is still good in soloing everything except ft2 and eod b2f (never made all trolls in time :S)...
For me no reason to quit, but some new stuffz to make us WIs better wouldn't be that wrong :black_eye:
well, wiz rox idd , till now i soloed everything till quad but still if u compare us to bl u actually see that we are weak >_> + we have to spend way more money than bl to solo things..
well, wiz rox idd , till now i soloed everything till quad but still if u compare us to bl u actually see that we are weak >_> + we have to spend way more money than bl to solo things..
+1 :victory:
MoeRambo
26-12-2008, 19:25
Uhhhhm unfortunately right..
BL=Amp suit, hp boots, attack gloves, 20%crit damage weapons=SOLO FT xD
+200 to ray's post
Nothing more to add, RayJ said everything.
QFT.
Well, looks like we wizzies just have to bear with it until Korean wizzies complain... :(
thx god im not the only one.
good that iam not the only one ._. , anyway see moeīs post, not good eq, but you can do ft :o
hansybansy
26-12-2008, 20:19
- Iīm wiz , yes, and of course you will hear that from me, but its the truth,
- A good friend quitted (170 wiz) cause he read the updates notes and had no fun more on wiz.
- And no, iam not whiner, and i know if i equip my wiz good, he will be good.
- If you wanna flame me now, flame me hard, i like it hard. :girl_hide:
regards
i read from another 170 wizard who quit because of the last update. i guess some wizards have enough of the nerfs and to be honest, so do i. i really dont know why estsoft gave the pve god another boost in the last update... and the wizard gets nerfed...
i will make a tank, should make a blader so we see like 90% bladers only, but i go for the warrior (i just dont like it, when all got some chars, estsoft is just ****ing things up big time). i will not (yet) abandon my wizard completely, just build up the warrior and working on the wizard a little bit, too. but something says me, i will have more fun and less nerfs in the future with the warrior than with the sp-cow wizard.
Yes, wizzards got nerfed, and BLs are stronger now (I didn't asked about that;)).
I agree with RayJ's post beside one thing: Koffis (bm1+aura+amp buff) crited on me (normal buffs without any bms) 13xx with Comp and 13xx with GM. I think it's not that bad.
Anyway my point of view is: wizzards are good on TG/pve, but suck in pvp.
And yes, bladers are in better situation. But I it's reason to whine.
P.S.
Hansybansy, I want to say I'm sorry for my yesterday's post. Was in bad mood.
NikkyNicole
27-12-2008, 00:05
blablabla nerf i just saw how strong WI's are in bm2 and u could NEVER crit them 2 times in a row bc already dead most of time
Overclok u are 1 big ******** :)
Senseless
27-12-2008, 00:15
Read my post lol, no1 couldn't take down a skilled FA. And since you don't even have to target yourself to heal, it would be way too easy to win in 1vs1 for FA's. And FA's already got more HP than wizards ._.
Oh yeah? 1vs1 situation, where if you use your skills you are a noob. On TG/c24 I always fight againts at least 2 caps, 1 is just dead before he reaches me.
The thing is:
FAs go screwed gma and completer skill, Ok screw gmaster, but don't screw the completer, in pve it's useless against 2+ mobs -.-
fa/wi both sucks against advantages of overpowered close-ranger, expecially blader, get it finally for ****** sake.
Yes, wizzards got nerfed, and BLs are stronger now (I didn't asked about that;)).
I agree with RayJ's post beside one thing: Koffis (bm1+aura+amp buff) crited on me (normal buffs without any bms) 13xx with Comp and 13xx with GM. I think it's not that bad.
Anyway my point of view is: wizzards are good on TG/pve, but suck in pvp.
And yes, bladers are in better situation. But I it's reason to whine.
P.S.
Hansybansy, I want to say I'm sorry for my yesterday's post. Was in bad mood.
Wizard arenīt anymore The TG Legends, look now, at procyon always, always a blader ( who smells ;) ) 1. place, sometimes wa, but after the 4.-5. place comes a wizard.
and ehm, bm1 aura amp buff a comp with 1.3k isnt aswell, jut for info :p
well, as i said, if you wanna flame me, flame me hard, i like it hard. :( :girl_hide:
hansybansy
27-12-2008, 15:51
I agree with RayJ's post beside one thing: Koffis (bm1+aura+amp buff) crited on me (normal buffs without any bms) 13xx with Comp and 13xx with GM. I think it's not that bad.
ofc its not bad with that bm1 + aura + amp buff when you have no bm on and he crits. but compare that to others like warrior or blader or fb or fs when they do that against us without bm on, they do alot more dmg when they crit and we are (almost) dead!
Anyway my point of view is: wizzards are good on TG/pve, but suck in pvp.
good in tg? i'm not so sure with the bm2 nerf and the bug right now going on. also, like someone posted, you dont see wizards on top (anymore, cant say if its true or not atm but i wouldnt be shocked if true).
good in pve, nah. unstunnalbe mobs = wizard is very weak compared to others.
And yes, bladers are in better situation. But I it's reason to whine.
blader is better, others, too. wizard became a sp-cow, which it was never ment to be in the beginning. why the downgrade from "Ultimate Destroyer, the Ruler of the Force" to sp-cow only?
compared to bladers or others, but especially bladers, bladers actually deserve a nerf, have to many great buffs + bm1 + bm2 superattack (very imba). while wizard has now... stun (which doesnt help against unstunnable mobs / bosses etc.), sp buff (which even can be annoying, people constantly request party and ask for sp buff in town).
i'm not whining, just pointing out others, especially bladers, could, hell _should_ take a nerf to make it more balanced, but got even stronger in the last update. thats ******** from estsoft and i see no point in doing so. the constantly nerf from wizards are definitely ******* me off under those circumstances.
P.S.
Hansybansy, I want to say I'm sorry for my yesterday's post. Was in bad mood.
no need to apologize, it's all cool man. :friends:
give wi an OP multihit skill too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KapitanNapleta
27-12-2008, 16:59
wi is ok
the class that needs changes is bl or wa.
bl either high def low attack low evasion or low def high attack and high evasion, they cant have all at once ffs.
wa
either tank or nuke lol
tanker+nuker *** is that?... cabal oO
nerf bladers and warioriors :O
wi is ok
the class that needs changes is bl or wa.
bl either high def low attack low evasion or low def high attack and high evasion, they cant have all at once ffs.
wa
either tank or nuke lol
tanker+nuker *** is that?... cabal oO
nerf bladers and warioriors :O
Thats right. WI is ok as it is now but definitely BL needs nerfing. I don't know WA char so i won't comment him:P
wi is ok
the class that needs changes is bl or wa.
bl either high def low attack low evasion or low def high attack and high evasion, they cant have all at once ffs.
wa
either tank or nuke lol
tanker+nuker *** is that?... cabal oO
nerf bladers and warioriors :O
Thats right. WI is ok as it is now but definitely BL needs nerfing. I don't know WA char so i won't comment him:P
No comments. :vmad:
ok 1 thing, just get rid of the freaking sp buff, give it to FS, i just get freaking iritated that people just need me because of the buff and not because they need the damage extra...
we all need changes, part from blader :dirol:
Thats right. WI is ok as it is now but definitely BL needs nerfing. I don't know WA char so i won't comment him:P
who cares, either wi stronger or wa/bl nerf, both's ok.
bump for OP multihitskill for mage.
Wizard:
Buffs:
- Hp Restore [Single] Well yes, 70 hp restore... only useful in tg...
- Hp Restore [Party] well, you have to find a party member in your near, only useful in tg...
regards
I agree with almost everything u said but hp regen buffs are very useful not only in tg for me ^^
Maybe we are not so strong as bl/wa but still we are not so bad to quit playing wi, for me annoying thing is that we supposed to be a range class and our stunlock combo is almost like mele range and ofc now dmg bug :dash1:
bump for OP multihitskill for mage.
+1
(10chars)
FBs are getting a new, OP, BM2. WI are getting a nerfed BM2. What's the logic in that????????????
Astheroth
28-12-2008, 10:34
WI bm2 only get nerfed in tg and pk so I cant understand why ure complaining...
LordGeetz
28-12-2008, 10:43
FBs are getting a new, OP, BM2. WI are getting a nerfed BM2. What's the logic in that????????????
u just gotta love ppl that judge a skill before it gets on live server
as said before, wi bm2 is ONLY nerfed in PK mode, and there it still deals high dmg (-canon dmg bug)
FBs are getting a new, OP, BM2. WI are getting a nerfed BM2. What's the logic in that????????????
Wi bm2 was OP in pvp and pve.
Fb bm2 sucked in pvp and pve.
There's your logic ;)
Wi bm2 was OP in pvp and pve.
When ppl stop talking bullsh.it? BL Bm2 is not OP? WA's BM2 is not OP? get ur facts right before you talk nonsense.
And "was" in pve? got nerfed in pvp only, you're rly up to date boy and into the game.
Flashbolt
28-12-2008, 11:05
-1
WI is fine.
learn to adapt and play your WI!
g33kzilla
28-12-2008, 11:07
1) ye that buff is useless, atleast now when mobs hit u up to 1k
2) some add magic buff would be nice or +crit dmg, but not with that amp 30 secs duration 5mins cooldown thing, same duration as hp/mp and def buff
3)either add the staff as optional or make it so that wi gets staff in bm2 and is eble to do some usefull normal attack with it
-First- I think that our defense buff is ridiculous, only add 29 points.That and nothing are the same.Thinking that we have the lowest defense, that buff needs to be improve.
-Second- I think that we need a new buff too, like anyone that adds for example:
1000 hp for 30 sec, defense rate, hit rate...
-Third-Retired (bad idea).
+1 if you are agree.
-1 if you arent agree.
Plz dont post ****** things without signification.And if you have a wizard you will undestand me.
Merry Christmas
1st - YOU ARE WIZARD DUH.... you know what class wizard is or its your 1st mmorpg ever played??
2nd- You dont need any new buff ,every char gained the same number of buffs/debuffs in updates (maybe FS gained 1 bonus , something that he should have long time ago and it dont give any power at all). Learn to use them all or ask for replacing buffs ,but for sure noone will give you 1000hp buff lol.
Something from myself , they should nerf dmg of cannons to destroy MFS ,and add boost in dmg to higher ranked skills like GM/COMP for FA/WI.
About bm2 of WI ,its the strongest BM in game. The dmg boost is so high ,that after nerfing it ,all other BM's still are nothing special comparing to your BM2. Dunno if you understand but if other class would get something like that ,for example FB he could do even 30k dmg in 2sec in PVE , and 1 hit kill everybody in PVP. If you dont like your BM 2 well give it to me :P
wi is ok
the class that needs changes is bl or wa.
bl either high def low attack low evasion or low def high attack and high evasion, they cant have all at once ffs.
wa
either tank or nuke lol
tanker+nuker *** is that?... cabal oO
nerf bladers and warioriors :O
Heavy bladers are using armour set. It's + 48 def overall compared to martial set. If bladers could use only martial sets, it would be better.
/offtopic.
When ppl stop talking bullsh.it? BL Bm2 is not OP? WA's BM2 is not OP? get ur facts right before you talk nonsense.
And "was" in pve? got nerfed in pvp only, you're rly up to date boy and into the game.
First of all where did you see me say that bl bm2 and wa bm2 isn't OP? Ow wait i didnt say that at all, so how come i'm talking bullsh.t huh? I noted two facts:
Wi bm2 was OP in pvp and pve.
Fb bm2 sucked in pvp and pve.
And omg those facts are right.
Second of all, I never said 'was in pve'. I said was in pvp AND pve. If you don't know the meaning of the word AND, then you're not even close to standing a chance in a discussion with me.
on the topic:
Have fun finding a diffrent way to own then just spam ur bm2 ;)
First of all where did you see me say that bl bm2 and wa bm2 isn't OP? Ow wait i didnt say that at all, so how come i'm talking bullsh.t huh? I noted two facts:
Wi bm2 was OP in pvp and pve.
Fb bm2 sucked in pvp and pve.
And omg those facts are right.
Second of all, I never said 'was in pve'. I said was in pvp AND pve. If you don't know the meaning of the word AND, then you're not even close to standing a chance in a discussion with me.
on the topic:
Have fun finding a diffrent way to own then just spam ur bm2 ;)
Ok first of I meant it this way, why nerfing the only good part of the WI (MEANWHILE WA AND BL ARE OP IN GENERAL AND have a OP Bm2).
2nd I didn't say fb was good, but tbh not every char can be good at everything, but the truth is, wa and BL are OP in everything.
WI's positive sites > BM2, so why even argue with that? It's just ******, as ****** as you.
IF you say the BM2 WAS OP in pvp AND pve it means it WAS OP in pvp, it WAS OP in pve, so it's rather understandable the way I did instead of your point of view.
3rd. Oh we rly owned in bm2? Lol,... not.
Our Bm2 is may not bad, but it's far away from beeing OP, 'coz WA could knockdown you 100% and ur finished, BL can 1hit you by crushign blow or finish you in secs while ur knockdowned. Dun wanna say our BM2 is or was bad, but it's far away from beeing OP if you compare us with and without Bm2 it's just common sense we got atleast 1 possitive point.
4th. stop >:dash1: it'S better for you.
Ok first of I meant it this way, why nerfing the only good part of the WI (MEANWHILE WA AND BL ARE OP IN GENERAL AND have a OP Bm2).
2nd I didn't say fb was good, but tbh not every char can be good at everything, but the truth is, wa and BL are OP in everything.
Thats a whole diffrent discussion then what i was talking about. I just showed why it's logical that wi bm2 got nerfed and why fb bm2 is getting buffed. Didn't say anything about wa or bl bm2, so discussing about this with me doesn't make any sense as you don't even know my opinion about this point.
WI's positive sites > BM2, so why even argue with that? It's just ******, as ****** as you.
Your saying: the positive sites of wi are bigger then bm2? I never said anything about that so why do you argue about it with me? Seriously the more of this post i read the more i'm starting to think you didn't understand a word of what i said.
IF you say the BM2 WAS OP in pvp AND pve it means it WAS OP in pvp, it WAS OP in pve, so it's rather understandable the way I did instead of your point of view.
Yes, it was OP in pvp and it was op in pve. Now it's just OP in pve. What's your point? It still doesn't prove me wrong or prove that my sentence was incorrect.
3rd. Oh we rly owned in bm2? Lol,... not.
Our Bm2 is may not bad, but it's far away from beeing OP, 'coz WA could knockdown you 100% and ur finished, BL can 1hit you by crushign blow or finish you in secs while ur knockdowned. Dun wanna say our BM2 is or was bad, but it's far away from beeing OP if you compare us with and without Bm2 it's just common sense we got atleast 1 possitive point.
Like i said before, i never started a discussion with you about this at all. And i'm not gonna since i've had that discussion in countless of other threads.
4th. stop >:dash1: it'S better for you.
Maybe you should stop ;). Seriously the next time you wanna quote one of my posts just stop, read, think, maybe even grab a dictionary, translate it to your own language, write it down, translate the sentences to a 'for you understandable format' and then after you followed these steps try and make a post that can prove me wrong.
firedragon30
28-12-2008, 13:22
-First- I think that our defense buff is ridiculous, only add 29 points.That and nothing are the same.Thinking that we have the lowest defense, that buff needs to be improve.
-Second- I think that we need a new buff too, like anyone that adds for example:
1000 hp for 30 sec, defense rate, hit rate...
-Third-Retired (bad idea).
+1 if you are agree.
-1 if you arent agree.
Plz dont post ****** things without signification.And if you have a wizard you will undestand me.
Merry Christmas
+1 to first idea...yeh we need a buff that give more def like 40 or so is oly +11def but i think +40def make all the diferance...like wa and bl they have a buff give him 59def +100hp o0 omg i dont think fair!for solo buffs no....
to the rest of think i dont agree we already have a good hp buffs like combine mass+hight restore and you will see the good they are^^
firedragon30
28-12-2008, 13:35
ofc its not bad with that bm1 + aura + amp buff when you have no bm on and he crits. but compare that to others like warrior or blader or fb or fs when they do that against us without bm on, they do alot more dmg when they crit and we are (almost) dead!
good in tg? i'm not so sure with the bm2 nerf and the bug right now going on. also, like someone posted, you dont see wizards on top (anymore, cant say if its true or not atm but i wouldnt be shocked if true).
good in pve, nah. unstunnalbe mobs = wizard is very weak compared to others.
blader is better, others, too. wizard became a sp-cow, which it was never ment to be in the beginning. why the downgrade from "Ultimate Destroyer, the Ruler of the Force" to sp-cow only?
compared to bladers or others, but especially bladers, bladers actually deserve a nerf, have to many great buffs + bm1 + bm2 superattack (very imba). while wizard has now... stun (which doesnt help against unstunnable mobs / bosses etc.), sp buff (which even can be annoying, people constantly request party and ask for sp buff in town).
i'm not whining, just pointing out others, especially bladers, could, hell _should_ take a nerf to make it more balanced, but got even stronger in the last update. thats ******** from estsoft and i see no point in doing so. the constantly nerf from wizards are definitely ******* me off under those circumstances.
no need to apologize, it's all cool man. :friends:
you are 100% right all you tell is what i think
yesterday i do 1ft wiht a bl150 and i am 146
for have the same def like him i had to have the bm2 and i even dont talk about def rate and i dont see to much diferances betwen my dmg and they in bm2+aura i do more dmg but not that more-.-
Yes, it was OP in pvp and it was op in pve. Now it's just OP in pve. What's your point? It still doesn't prove me wrong or prove that my sentence was incorrect.
For me bm02 isn`t too much op in pve. In ft (solo) wi must do as much dmg as he can on bm because without it boss can kill him easily or wear a vamp and survive but then the dmg is rather small so a little op bm02 is compensation for lack of def without it at least i see it in that way
+1 to first idea...yeh we need a buff that give more def like 40 or so is oly +11def but i think +40def make all the diferance...like wa and bl they have a buff give him 59def +100hp o0 omg i dont think fair!for solo buffs no....
to the rest of think i dont agree we already have a good hp buffs like combine mass+hight restore and you will see the good they are^^
lol,... why would you need that???
fb/fs also have only +29 in theyr buff,... and theyr supposed to fight close-combat,...
(fs also got theyr shield, but they dont do any dmg, so they dont get agro (unless they want to take it with theyr debuff)) (mfs is ranged, so not closecombat so im not talking about them ;p)
and wa/bl got more defense from theyr buffs,... but well,... theyr supposed to tank / take the most dmg
my point is: u got stunlock and are ranged,... why u need (more) defense???
lol,... why would you need that???
fb/fs also have only +29 in theyr buff,... and theyr supposed to fight close-combat,...
Lol dont compare only buffs because from what you saying someone can think fs got same amount of def as wi
my point is: u got stunlock and are ranged,... why u need (more) defense???
Show me ranged stun lock combo for wi... because that one i know got range ~2/3 and from canons/lances/gm you cant make a stunlock combo
Show me ranged stun lock combo for wi... because that one i know got range ~2/3 and from canons/lances/gm you cant make a stunlock combo
as far as i know, 2 to 3 range is enough for u to stun them again, after they "are free again from the stun",... before getting any decent dmg (in case u break combo or so,...)
as far as i know, 2 to 3 range is enough for u to stun them again, after they "are free again from the stun",... before getting any decent dmg (in case u break combo or so,...)
as far as i know "decent dmg" kills wi instantly, and in fact when im using stunlock combo i got mobs on mele range (if combo/stun lock breaks mobs immediately atacks, not trying to come to me), from range we can spam gm/canons/lances but it isnt enough to keep mobs in distant, so yes we got ranged atacks but no we are not ranged class like fa
FB needs better def buff more than wiz
-First- I think that our defense buff is ridiculous, only add 29 points.That and nothing are the same.Thinking that we have the lowest defense, that buff needs to be improve.
-Second- I think that we need a new buff too, like anyone that adds for example:
1000 hp for 30 sec, defense rate, hit rate...
-Third-Retired (bad idea).
+1 if you are agree.
-1 if you arent agree.
Plz dont post ****** things without signification.And if you have a wizard you will undestand me.
Merry Christmas
-1
Get some better equipment, stop moaning about your character, if you don't like it build a new one, and let the rest of us have our items cheaper :)
Otherwise, adapt and move on...
Btw try use the search option, and you will find loads of threads like this one.
nb. I have a wizard lvl 170. And the true potential of a wizard doesn't show until you have lv 170 :) Happy grinding
Senseless
28-12-2008, 19:41
And that it?
For me bm02 isn`t too much op in pve. In ft (solo) wi must do as much dmg as he can on bm because without it boss can kill him easily or wear a vamp and survive but then the dmg is rather small so a little op bm02 is compensation for lack of def without it at least i see it in that way
surviving in bm2 isn't really hard and the dps in bm2 is just insane. Thats why i said it's OP in pve.
For example, i party a lot with a wa (a class that according to most wizards is really OP). His greatsword is a lot better then my orbs and his gear is a bit equal compared to mine. Still I easily out damage him if where both in bm2. (Him using reset bm2).
SlaveOfSouls
28-12-2008, 21:38
What u guys talking about;O...WI is very good and strong profession;P...maybe some1 wanna wi owerpowered like in ep1??...i dont see a point...I very like my wi and stop write this bullshits becasue no1 will help ya...if gm's will like change buffs,stats etc. of wizard they will do it....now enjoy what we have !!!...
P.S because we have alot!!^^
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=DlZ11-i764Q
PEACE
surviving in bm2 isn't really hard and the dps in bm2 is just insane. Thats why i said it's OP in pve.
For example, i party a lot with a wa (a class that according to most wizards is really OP). His greatsword is a lot better then my orbs and his gear is a bit equal compared to mine. Still I easily out damage him if where both in bm2. (Him using reset bm2).
I got Wa friend too and yes in bm02 you got higher dmg then him but when bm02 ends guess what? You are not "out damage" him anymore and you will have much more problems to stay alive 1 vs 1 (for example on trolls on eod b2f or first boss in ft), and because of that i said its good that we have stronger bm02 then wa, and still ur not running in bm02 all the time and thats why most of ppl who playing wi will tell you the wa/bl are op. Compare all character not only bm`s.
ps. I`m not saying that wi is bad or weak just that there are some stronger characters
Thats a whole diffrent discussion then what i was talking about. I just showed why it's logical that wi bm2 got nerfed and why fb bm2 is getting buffed. Didn't say anything about wa or bl bm2, so discussing about this with me doesn't make any sense as you don't even know my opinion about this point.
Your saying: the positive sites of wi are bigger then bm2? I never said anything about that so why do you argue about it with me? Seriously the more of this post i read the more i'm starting to think you didn't understand a word of what i said.
Yes, it was OP in pvp and it was op in pve. Now it's just OP in pve. What's your point? It still doesn't prove me wrong or prove that my sentence was incorrect.
Like i said before, i never started a discussion with you about this at all. And i'm not gonna since i've had that discussion in countless of other threads.
Maybe you should stop ;). Seriously the next time you wanna quote one of my posts just stop, read, think, maybe even grab a dictionary, translate it to your own language, write it down, translate the sentences to a 'for you understandable format' and then after you followed these steps try and make a post that can prove me wrong.
man ur such a smart ***, you didn't get any of my sentence, sometimes you talk about a diffrent point of the actually contex....
I stop talking with idiots, honestly... if I talk about A you talk about B, where's the sense? Get lost kthxbb.
man ur such a smart ***, you didn't get any of my sentence, sometimes you talk about a diffrent point of the actually contex....
I stop talking with idiots, honestly... if I talk about A you talk about B, where's the sense? Get lost kthxbb.
Lol you started quoting me. This is how our little disccussion went:
I was talking about 'B'.
You where saying that my facts where wrong.
I showed you why they wheren't wrong.
You couldn't find a reason why i would be wrong anymore so you just started talking about 'A'.
I said 'A' didn't have anything to do with what I was saying.
And now your saying "if I talk about A you talk about B".
The thing is I said something about 'B' and your trying to prove me wrong, with 'A' as a arguement. It's not like you where talking about 'A' and i said that you where wrong because of 'B'.
I totaly understand your sentences (appart from that weird one with the '>' character), what you don't understand is that those sentences got nothing to do with the first post of mine you quoted.
Now you might think I'm '******' and an '*****'. But this ****** ***** just refuted your arguements and since your last two posts didn't contain any new ones i guess we're done talking.
I got Wa friend too and yes in bm02 you got higher dmg then him but when bm02 ends guess what? You are not "out damage" him anymore and you will have much more problems to stay alive 1 vs 1 (for example on trolls on eod b2f or first boss in ft), and because of that i said its good that we have stronger bm02 then wa, and still ur not running in bm02 all the time and thats why most of ppl who playing wi will tell you the wa/bl are op. Compare all character not only bm`s.
ps. I`m not saying that wi is bad or weak just that there are some stronger characters
It's true that the outcome will be diffrent if you compare the entire characters but that still doesn't mean wi bm2 isn't OP in pve.
dragonlynx
29-12-2008, 00:55
hmm i think mages sucks with every update more ^.^
Lets see:
Mage Bm2 : Blader Bm2 = Mage 1hit
Mage Bm2 : Warrior Bm2 = Mage X.X Dead
....
and not in bm2 its the same ^^. I think wizard means to deal the biggest dmg. OK we deal very damn good dmg against mobs BUT in PVP we are the biggest looser xD
KillerPlanet
29-12-2008, 11:00
Use dash and blink, spam 2/3 canons in 1s and you'll see if the Wa can do something...
When I see a Wi in bm2, I never try to go awai or use my bm(I'm FS and all know how my bm rox)
-> only one solution is combo... when I can hit the Wi or try to down him.
You know if only you know how to play your class you can be good in pve/pvp and Tg ofc...
-1 to the first. And: we have better def than fa(espechially considering our mithril is less ****y with the stats).
-1to the second, we have good short duration buffs, maybe a normal defrate buff would be in order though.
Actually the only thing i liked was the 3d option, I want an astral weapon for WI. a few amp and magic or something like that. It would eaven up the odds in pvp between wi and fa.
SaTiFaCTioN
29-12-2008, 12:55
I dont have a WI, but I see WIs solo bederks WIs solo tanks... Wis solo FT at lvl14x...
That looks pretty high dmg to me...
Compair that with a FS or FB. They cant solo tank at lvl170. sFS cant even solo FT!
So dmg wise WIs got alot more then some other classes.
I dont have a WI, but I see WIs solo bederks WIs solo tanks... Wis solo FT at lvl14x...
That looks pretty high dmg to me...
Compair that with a FS or FB. They cant solo tank at lvl170. sFS cant even solo FT!
So dmg wise WIs got alot more then some other classes.
hmm idk about fb,... but about fs,... they still need a party for nipperlugs XD
firedragon30
29-12-2008, 14:11
lol,... why would you need that???
fb/fs also have only +29 in theyr buff,... and theyr supposed to fight close-combat,...
(fs also got theyr shield, but they dont do any dmg, so they dont get agro (unless they want to take it with theyr debuff)) (mfs is ranged, so not closecombat so im not talking about them ;p)
and wa/bl got more defense from theyr buffs,... but well,... theyr supposed to tank / take the most dmg
my point is: u got stunlock and are ranged,... why u need (more) defense???
i need more def too:
dungeons like ft's where mobs dont stun and they atak in you..n2f like fogs and ultimate bosses.
pvp i cant run for ever you know, and even i use a dash all ppl call me noob.
bosses like berderk and pf boss
1think is a bl and wa be tankers and need more def other is they have more and more and more def and more atak too. this suxs cmon
i need be in bm to have +/- the same def-.- and they dont need be in bm to have +/- we magic
GAME IS NOT BALANCED
Lol you started quoting me. This is how our little disccussion went:
I was talking about 'B'.
You where saying that my facts where wrong.
I showed you why they wheren't wrong.
You couldn't find a reason why i would be wrong anymore so you just started talking about 'A'.
I said 'A' didn't have anything to do with what I was saying.
And now your saying "if I talk about A you talk about B".
The thing is I said something about 'B' and your trying to prove me wrong, with 'A' as a arguement. It's not like you where talking about 'A' and i said that you where wrong because of 'B'.
I totaly understand your sentences (appart from that weird one with the '>' character), what you don't understand is that those sentences got nothing to do with the first post of mine you quoted.
Now you might think I'm '******' and an '*****'. But this ****** ***** just refuted your arguements and since your last two posts didn't contain any new ones i guess we're done talking.
It's true that the outcome will be diffrent if you compare the entire characters but that still doesn't mean wi bm2 isn't OP in pve.
tbh I didn't read the entire sentence of your post and I may not even read ur next answer, but what so ever, you took fb as an example right? who cares about their bm2? bm1 is op, you can reach 1,6kdef, 1,5k attack and 7,5k health if you're 160~ lmao, stop playing tetris, this is cabal, stop nerfing mages.
SaTiFaCTioN
29-12-2008, 15:01
tbh I didn't read the entire sentence of your post and I may not even read ur next answer, but what so ever, you took fb as an example right? who cares about their bm2? bm1 is op, you can reach 1,6kdef, 1,5k attack and 7,5k health if you're 160~ lmao, stop playing tetris, this is cabal, stop nerfing mages.
uuuh lvl 163 here..
its 1300 atk
1100 def
5k HP.
with BM only...
AND STILL WI own me when they are in BM2.
tbh I didn't read the entire sentence of your post and I may not even read ur next answer, but what so ever, you took fb as an example right? who cares about their bm2? bm1 is op, you can reach 1,6kdef, 1,5k attack and 7,5k health if you're 160~ lmao, stop playing tetris, this is cabal, stop nerfing mages.
No i didn't take fb as an example. Thats your problem, you have no idea what you where discussing with me.
And if you think fb bm1 is so OP then read Sati's post above this one. Though thats a whole diffrent discussion and i don't wanna go offtopic.
Georges_Clooney
29-12-2008, 15:23
Tierra gloriosa :
Before the BM2 nerf : You died wihout knowing what just happened.
After the BM2 nerf : You die but you can see that is was a Wizard.
Cool.
I said you can REACH (this includes all buffs).
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8134/cabalver126108121912020xr2.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2794/cabalver126108121913530cb7.jpg
now tell me fb is bad and needed hardly an improve... this guys could probably 1hit lvl 160 mage.
Georges_Clooney
29-12-2008, 15:47
You need prepration to get those stats.
You REALLY got a problem if you get One shooted by a FB at lv 160 ..... , WA and BL okay, but not FB.
I said you can REACH (this includes all buffs).
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8134/cabalver126108121912020xr2.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2794/cabalver126108121913530cb7.jpg
now tell me fb is bad and needed hardly an improve... this guys could probably 1hit lvl 160 mage.
o.O insane stats xD
SaTiFaCTioN
29-12-2008, 15:51
I said you can REACH (this includes all buffs).
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8134/cabalver126108121912020xr2.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2794/cabalver126108121913530cb7.jpg
now tell me fb is bad and needed hardly an improve... this guys could probably 1hit lvl 160 mage.
Lemme tell you the difference...
You see 1550 ATK, you thinks WOOOOOOOOT he got that much!??! a lvl160 WI with his kinda gear and WA and FA buffs only got 1400 Magic...
but the trick is.. a WI in BM2 will hit his comp skil in 1.7 sec on you with 2x the dmg of it. a fb in bm1 will hit his comp skill in 3 sec on you with 1x the dmg of it..
WI got 700 add atk with comp? FB got 900 add atk with comp..
(700add atk +1400magic x 2.35 amp)x2= 7980
900+1550x2.1= 4155
Now he got 1469 def
a WI will have 1250 def
FB 4155-1250=2905 in 3 sec
WI 7980-1469x2=5042 in 1.7 sec
Something like that...
The calculation isnt really accurate, but you get the point!
i need more def too:
dungeons like ft's where mobs dont stun and they atak in you..n2f like fogs and ultimate bosses.
pvp i cant run for ever you know, and even i use a dash all ppl call me noob.
bosses like berderk and pf boss
1think is a bl and wa be tankers and need more def other is they have more and more and more def and more atak too. this suxs cmon
i need be in bm to have +/- the same def-.- and they dont need be in bm to have +/- we magic
GAME IS NOT BALANCED
well,... ft,... lets see,... SFS CANT EVEN SOLO THAT so stop whining that mobs hit u too hard,...
pvp,... u cant run,... u got dash/fade step/blink,...
if other ppl call u noob, than its coz u dont dash/fade/blink, and just stand and take the dmg,...
u have dash/blink/fade,... why shouldnt u use them??? fs got defense,... u dont say to fs: hey pvp naked, coz u got overpowerd defense,...
Lemme tell you the difference...
You see 1550 ATK, you thinks WOOOOOOOOT he got that much!??! a lvl160 WI with his kinda gear and WA and FA buffs only got 1400 Magic...
but the trick is.. a WI in BM2 will hit his comp skil in 1.7 sec on you with 2x the dmg of it. a fb in bm1 will hit his comp skill in 3 sec on you with 1x the dmg of it..
WI got 700 add atk with comp? FB got 900 add atk with comp..
(700add atk +1400magic x 2.35 amp)x2= 7980
900+1550x2.1= 4155
Now he got 1469 def
a WI will have 1250 def
FB 4155-1250=2905 in 3 sec
WI 7980-1469x2=5042 in 1.7 sec
Something like that...
The calculation isnt really accurate, but you get the point!
i didnt say fb is immortal with bm1, I said just bm1 was already good enough, or atleast a nice second choice, with new bm2... but as I said I didn't even complain or mentioned this, still dunno why you talk about fb if I compare MY charakter with the OP chars like bl/wa ?? that's why im so pissed, this stands in no relation what I actually meant and wanted... if you think ur fb is not strong enough just go open a new thread compare it with bl/wa and calculate there.
The problem is that people shouldn't complain about WI's weakness because WI isn't the weakest class. Yesterday i finished solo eod b2f at 149 level:D I know its not so great but im proud anyway and it prooves me something:P If people want to complain they should focus on overpowered class:P If overpowered class will be nerfed then all the rest will feel better:P Giving more power to everyone will only make dungeons easier and i don't want this:P Of course every class has advantages but looks like one of them has much more than the others which is unfair:)
WHERE did we complain a SINGLE time that wi needs improve for pve? What iam actually about, that we suck at pvp, close-ranger just need to crit their comp (or gm) to finish us pretty fast and we stand no chance if they crit both, comp and gm.
WA can do faster skills with a good ampequip, which outdmg us, even tho they got 3x hp and 2x def. THAT's the point. PVE boost and BM2 nerf is just an addition to the comparation of WI and BL/WA.
WI is good in pve, due to stun etc. but sucks actually in pvp, except you got alot of crits in a row. BL is better in pvp, no query and is the god of pve, they can 1hit us in BM2 so where's the balance? That's the point.
And don't count ppl who god uber stuff and finish dungeons etc. with wi, that proofs nothing, if you do lid trans/trans at lvl 65 does it proof your class is good? ... wrong.
But why repeating? Im sick of it, mages with imba stuff keep telling you hey wiz ok, bl/wa/fs will still say wi is good/op 'coz they don't get 2hitted. But in GENERAL with average stuff, BL/WA can archive ALOT more, in pve AND pvp, what's that called?
wait
wait
ehm
UNBALANCE
It's BULLSHIT if you compare wiz and FA to eachother, because Wiz MUST be with his stuncombo, in a 4yd range because of his ****** completer skill........
I don't care about pvp anymore. For me they ruined TG in last update and i never liked those ****** duels with rules. Well i will loose stats from honour ranks but i can live with this:P And its just matter of taste ofcourse:P And about bladers i agree. I know at least one blader who has complete lack of skills and crappy gear but his "life" in game is still much easier then for the others with average stuff:P
ppl say we are whiners, but with the equip I have atm on my wiz, if I would have that on BL or WA I would have been able to
Solo FT
Solo B2F
and rock more in pvp also.....
Talking now about a total of 132% crit dmg, 38% m.amp, 45% critrate, 902 magic.
Pumpernikkeli
31-12-2008, 00:24
I can only say that if you are unable to solo FT with those, you're doing it wrong.
Controversy
31-12-2008, 01:26
ppl say we are whiners, but with the equip I have atm on my wiz, if I would have that on BL or WA I would have been able to
Solo FT
Solo B2F
and rock more in pvp also.....
Talking now about a total of 132% crit dmg, 38% m.amp, 45% critrate, 902 magic.
Hmm it's strange if you can't solo FT with these stats. Are you wearing bluestin?
And I guess the people complaining over wizards are the ones that focus on PVP, cause I can't really see what there is to complain about in pve. They are among the class that can solo the most dungeons the fastest/they can kill bosses is pf solo, and they are the class that its easy to get to a high level with.
ynnek123
31-12-2008, 05:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ucUWr_7kE happy?
lets change ourselves before we complain =p
ppl say we are whiners, but with the equip I have atm on my wiz, if I would have that on BL or WA I would have been able to
Solo FT
Solo B2F
and rock more in pvp also.....
Talking now about a total of 132% crit dmg, 38% m.amp, 45% critrate, 902 magic.
that's the fact, that's what all my whining is actually about. I don't say we can do sh.it or we can't solo anything, but tbh bl/wa need LESS afford to archieve things, while we need to have uber stuff. Cabal should be balanced to fit even for players with low - decent stuff, 'coz in clean osm wa/bl are waaaaaay better than wi/fa. So what.
The problem is that people shouldn't complain about WI's weakness because WI isn't the weakest class. Yesterday i finished solo eod b2f at 149 level:D I know its not so great but im proud anyway and it prooves me something:P If people want to complain they should focus on overpowered class:P If overpowered class will be nerfed then all the rest will feel better:P Giving more power to everyone will only make dungeons easier and i don't want this:P Of course every class has advantages but looks like one of them has much more than the others which is unfair:)
With troll quest ??
With troll quest ??
No way:D Maybe if i was combo master but i'm not xD
phoenix1st
02-01-2009, 11:55
If you want more DEF - make Set of Guard or Mithril +x , - and all lvl UNDER 140 dont need more Def .... i also play WI (lvl152) and had NO problems in maps / dungeons till lvl 140 - but i only had / STILL HAVE osmium +6 set.
Sure in PF its hard to stay alive ..... but ..... go there with guild and lvl / farm and you will stay alive.....
Sure WI has low def , low HP - but make a good set and you have average def/HP and HIGH damage ....
WI isnt easy to play solo..... but SOLO is not the sense of cabal i think
KapitanNapleta
02-01-2009, 12:11
but SOLO is not the sense of cabal i think
3 letters
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More def/hp or crt rate/dmg buff or magic
wizards need a change now: THEY HAVE TO STOP WHINING,... if u wnna whine coz ur too weak, than play sfs
wizards need a change now: THEY HAVE TO STOP WHINING,... if u wnna whine coz ur too weak, than play sfs
Some WI don't whine because they are too weak but because some other class is to strong. This kind of imbalance affects Your sFS as well.
phoenix1st
02-01-2009, 14:00
Yeah give WI again more power so WI can have 001 Def and still stays alive because he even can 1hit pluma then ^^ if you think WI is underpowered - and all other classes overpowerd - than better make ALL OTHER CLASSSES and delete your WI
AGAIN more power to 1hit pluma? Was WI ever able to do this? You are overreacting. Funny that people from CabalSEA complain about same things. What a big coincidence.
if you think WI is underpowered
Are You reading in my mind? Baceuse i never said that.
and all other classes overpowerd
ONE, not "all other". And if everyone have to make one kind of char to feel balanced with others than its not right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ucUWr_7kE happy?
lets change ourselves before we complain =p
i like that song :)
Game is not a real life :) If You like this song go and make thread in off topic section and call it "My favorite songs" or something :)
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