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    2miavi
    can u tell me the song in your video, cant stop watching it and hey arnt you the FA they worship in cabal na. welcome to eu

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVATARAT View Post
    Guns always do too little dmg vs much def.
    lol... Guns FTW!!!

    You need amp for bm2... it's sure that you say they sucks if you don't even know how to use a FA.. lol...

    NO WORDS.

    Atm i'm with 2*mith orb 7 amp +11... but soon i will got for cd + amp (hope for a lyca)

    And i can totally say that i OWN every char with just 2 mith orb 7 amp!

    So, just imagine.
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    miavi very nice vid very good gameplay
    nice sig too

    wich server you play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LateyGaGa View Post

    And i can totally say that i OWN every char with just 2 mith orb 7 amp!

    So, just imagine.
    i imagine they are kinda nooby then. however you're right that for using normal atack 7 amp orbs are the best. but not for crowd control.


    Quote Originally Posted by Miavi View Post
    If you come to think of it, are non crits really important in PVP? My Answer will be NO
    in pvp: most of the time they don't matter.
    in freestyle pvp or tg: yes lol. they have rate resists there.


    What matters is the amount of your magic attack. These days I believe breaking 1100 magic is ideal. Its what works behind AMP and CD.
    i kinda find it contradictory that you say that high matk is the way to go, yet you don't use manacondense just to get more tanking ability. btw, there is no such thing as unintentional tanking.

    also, not having the newest, ultimate endgame gear does not mean that you, i, or anyone for that matter are left behind.


    p.s.: welcome to the eu forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny41 View Post
    i imagine they are kinda nooby then. however you're right that for using normal atack 7 amp orbs are the best. but not for crowd control.
    Wanna try kenny? You talk about people that are "noob" when you equip 1*7 amp and 1*20 dmg... lol....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LateyGaGa View Post
    Wanna try kenny? You talk about people that are "noob" when you equip 1*7 amp and 1*20 dmg... lol....
    gg making a fail assumption about my orbs. i give you 0/10 for the effort.


    and i still hold true to what i said. 2x 7 amp orbs kinda suck in tg. they are only good for normal attack in bm2


    p.s.: yes i would love to take you down, but sadly we are in different tgs.
    Last edited by Kenny41; 23-02-2012 at 00:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakas13 View Post
    miavi very nice vid very good gameplay
    nice sig too

    wich server you play?
    Thankyou. Im a mercury FA in NA


    @Kenny

    Oh ok but i still disagree with your concept no disrespect. but Thanks.
    Freestyle is fun, I have a freestyle video too, its just not resist rate that makes some opponents hard to crit on - kill, even too much defense (Ex. a FS or WA with 1300) can make it hard.

    But id say I have enough experience. Im not worried of losing magic attack w/o mana condense in war. I can read most of my opponent movements like a novel.

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    No im not, ill pm u the song.
    Last edited by Miavi; 23-02-2012 at 01:34.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MsLovelace View Post
    2miavi
    can u tell me the song in your video, cant stop watching it and hey arnt you the FA they worship in cabal na. welcome to eu
    I also wish to know the name of the music u use it for the TG video. I even download it to my ipad. Thank you..

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    already said by me and agito month ago :

    to have a nice build in FA you need to target first ( assuming you got 50% rate )
    - 60-65% magic amp.
    - 1100 magic attack
    - Rest in Critical Dmg increase if possible


    It's just about mathematic. Try it in calculator and your will see by your self.


    @miavi :
    I agree Agito your gameplay is ok.
    But I'm not sure it's something that you can do in Mars 170-180 tg.
    Stand in the mass like you do result in an instant death here in Mars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miavi View Post

    @Kenny

    Oh ok but i still disagree with your concept no disrespect. but Thanks.
    Freestyle is fun, I have a freestyle video too, its just not resist rate that makes some opponents hard to crit on - kill, even too much defense (Ex. a FS or WA with 1300) can make it hard.

    But id say I have enough experience. Im not worried of losing magic attack w/o mana condense in war.
    actually, def doesn't make it hard to crit. to kill yes, but it won't stop you from critting.


    also, didn't mean to be disrespectful either about mana, it just felt too much of a contradiction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Younz View Post
    @miavi :
    I agree Agito your gameplay is ok.
    But I'm not sure it's something that you can do in Mars 170-180 tg.
    Stand in the mass like you do result in an instant death here in Mars.
    Im not sure too because its totally different from NA to EU you know. You guys might have more advanced equipments and different gameplay so yeah I believe you. You know during those last days I was playing 2 months ago, there were quite a few people in NA who have maxed upgrade their Mithril to +15 on top of the +15 mithril weapons too and boy am I glad to have NOT participated in tg anymore LOOOOL because im sure its going to be more challenging going against those people with +15 mithril gears. xD

    But like I said, tanking was never my intention in that video. I still have more than 1100 magic attack w/o mana condense (1103 magic attack to be exact) with just Offensive Bless buff when im using my own orbs so It wasnt that of a big deal losing mana condense since 1103 + the +390 magic attack of legacy weapon could cut it.

    Tanking is never a force archer's job, even out of tg. The way i see it is that the advantage of Mithril level armors compared to lower level armors accounts more for survivability, you have more chances of getting out of the enemy crowd when ure being mobbed wearing mithril than wearing a lower armor like lets say osmium, but thats not called tanking its different, coz im not just standing amongst the enemy crowd like warriors/force shielder that have that kind of defense, the only reason why ill stay put is because i got execrated by a fb or I was in aos and the enemies got to me amidst that moment. but notice how I flee as my hp bar goes half? My FA wont last if I tank like FS or WA. The thing is at that point, I was well aware of the situation and i knew when and how to escape.
    But then again, enemy damage is also a factor to be considered, so if im not mistaken the opponents you guys deal with in your tg probably hits harder than what i deal with in na right? and so you gotta be more careful. Its just a matter of adapting to what you deal with. So yeah, lol tank is not an option for FA, its a situation! tanking never is a FA's job in tg, its suicide.


    @Kenny
    What I meant was hard to kill not crit, so sorry bout that mistyped response I meant kill. So thats exactly my point... if your crit damage is greatly reduced due to your opponents 1.3 defense... what more can your base damage do. Thei ncreased damage of noncrits due to amp is just a way to push your overall damage in a combo but its not guaranteed for success to eliminate a target in pvp as much as critting often. That is why I mentioned on my first post the importance of crit rate for cd build FA's.

    Im so embarassed now to share my videos LOL but I want to prove my point so ill show you. I did have gathered some footage as reference for proof about how crit damage works in freestyle. This is not a freestyle duel but a pk. Freestyle duel is a test of skills where getting the first hit matters, and thats even harder if youre a crit build FA and you keep doing non crit damage on ur enemy >.<

    Now before you make judgements, you got to realize that i am not xSimca (Agito). my stats havent gotten to that level around this point. >.< If i had his stats, different story - its probably gunna be easier seeing that damage would be way more different. This video will show you the application of crit damage. or in other words what happens if you crit alot and what happens if you dont.



    Put your focus on the FS as he really did brought my 165% cd DOWN with his defense.

    This is his stats on that fight
    This is my stats on that fight not my current stats though, i made some changes before i left.


    So what if I had 57% or 60% rate? its different story >< I have experience in pk, like I said i read most my enemies like novels
    ive been pking for 4 years. But sadly sometimes your skill isnt enough, you gotta have the right gears too. to balance your chances for success.
    Last edited by Miavi; 23-02-2012 at 16:09.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miavi View Post
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    Just to give you a picture.
    For us on a normal war of 50 vs 50 players our gameplay is more about hit once and run far to get HP back.
    Even with a nice HR,resist and 1100 def+ and belt of damp, you still can't tank ( like you do in your vidz ).
    Especialy the first line that is most of time is also the biggest DPS dealer.

    In fact if you got red number over the head most of time it's already time to move.... and fast


    Be prood of your video, dont be shy, at least your are not only speaking, you also show that you are not fallen from the last rain when you speak about FA. And for me, at least, it's a quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Younz View Post
    Just to give you a picture.
    For us on a normal war of 50 vs 50 players our gameplay is more about hit once and run far to get HP back.
    Even with a nice HR,resist and 1100 def+ and belt of damp, you still can't tank ( like you do in your vidz ).
    Especialy the first line that is most of time is also the biggest DPS dealer.

    In fact if you got red number over the head most of time it's already time to move.... and fast


    Be prood of your video, dont be shy, at least your are not only speaking, you also show that you are not fallen from the last rain when you speak about FA. And for me, at least, it's a quality.
    thankyou


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    just as an example of mars-tg3 is this fs


    but he´s by far not the best geared guy at mars we have to deal with
    and especially not best skilled one xd



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    yeah. i guess nobody is perfect huh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Younz View Post
    Just to give you a picture.
    For us on a normal war of 50 vs 50 players our gameplay is more about hit once and run far to get HP back.
    Even with a nice HR,resist and 1100 def+ and belt of damp, you still can't tank ( like you do in your vidz ).
    Especialy the first line that is most of time is also the biggest DPS dealer.

    In fact if you got red number over the head most of time it's already time to move.... and fast


    Be prood of your video, dont be shy, at least your are not only speaking, you also show that you are not fallen from the last rain when you speak about FA. And for me, at least, it's a quality.
    NA t5 is typically 30 v 30. It can hit 50 v 50 sometimes, usually only during bonus wars or wexp events.

    Since our war is small, leg+saints buff makes it pretty easy to tank. Our nation gets saints weapon every week @_@

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    ew look whos here


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miavi View Post
    ew look whos here
    been here for weeks

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    you planning to stay for a month? you might get deported. xD I am just here to check the amp vs cd debate theyre talking about and share my opinion. Oh well, nice to see you here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miavi View Post
    you planning to stay for a month? you might get deported. xD I am just here to check the amp vs cd debate theyre talking about and share my opinion. Oh well, nice to see you here.
    I'm here cause people actually talk about the game here :P

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    well as you guys talk about tg and like 30 vs 30 or 50 vs 50

    i can say i miss old days when tg was 150 170 lvls and was 100 vs 100 at mercury now is just 70 vs 70 at tg bonus only

    and is not so easy to tank even if you bringer

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakas13 View Post
    i can say i miss old days when tg was 150 170 lvls
    I miss the actual old days when tg was once per day for all lvls, only one tg where you would wait over an hour to join and after that you'd just battle them caps only for the sake of battle, to be able to say that we won. Before wexp, bringers/guardians. It wasn't a grind back then for honor, only for the fun of battle once per day if you got lucky to be able.

    Perhaps it was better to have more tg;s because the chance of getting in got way too low, but even then the current twink farming isn't that glorious either, never was since the dawn of lvl brackets in tg.

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