Amp Fa Vs Crit Dmg FA

[Younz]

Guns always do too little dmg vs much def.

Typicaly cause you dont have enought amp
loop is completed

[AVATARAT]

I don't want to write again that I wrote before:
http://forum.cabalonline.com/showthr...=1#post2194967
Read please from this below.
And yes loop is compleated

[Younz]

7 Amp more = a little more normal dmg

Your statement is already wrong.
7 amp more = better normal dmg AND a better crit...since crit is based on normal output
You can't be efficient with "classical" 20% dmg orbs. before a 30% dmg, on the average, you are still under 7% amp.
Dude plz ... stop crap over there.

[AVATARAT]

After 25% cd dps goes same and up.

[Younz]

After 25% cd dps goes same and up.

depend of def as always.
It will be true on a niperlug and wrong on a iron golem

before flaming it's just an exemple

[AVATARAT]

I agree with this.

[Sephi]

Man, really begin LVLing and come to pro TG with experienced players no nubs in low TG's and u will see. ppl like agito ( which have lot lot lot experiences and i dont have fear to say its best FA on mars) telling u something and u do like u know more then all them?
Anyway if u wanna DMG based char go BL or something like that ... and blader have amp weps too btw or combination...why ? bm2 xD like pistols on FA :-*

[AVATARAT]

Look, I don't say that he isn't good FA. I can read what he write but I expect same from him. And I understand that he know much about the game.

[shanon123]

I thin FA and WI are optional compare to WA,FB,BL,FS..cuz if you all use dps skill for FA and WI i think you should use amp...but if you wanted to use cri FA and WI you should use strong skill..for example transender and completer......

[Diabolique92]

Well i cba to read anything else than 1st and last page so:
TBH only thing that matters in cabal is when ur in bm3 and as the bm3 skills pierce enemy def so good id go all way to critical dmg.
Pierce def -> c dmg
Can`t pierce -> amp

[clausRO]

I think high critical dmg helps alot ! but if you have good rate like 52% rate, over 110% critical dmg and around 30% amp I think you can do well in alot of dungeons and in pvp as you are a mixed FA.

btw, what's the maximum rate you can gain from rings in total? I calculated my critical rate as I have mergaheph's ring which gives 15% rate and I also have ring of luck+1 which gives 10% rate so why am I not getting the full 25% rate in my stats? is there a cap to the amount of rate you can attain from rings?

[larosc]

I think high critical dmg helps alot ! but if you have good rate like 52% rate, over 110% critical dmg and around 30% amp I think you can do well in alot of dungeons and in pvp as you are a mixed FA.

Those stats are utter crap.

Also @you and @diabolique: look at the date of this thread, let it die.

[clausRO]

Those stats are utter crap.

Also @you and @diabolique: look at the date of this thread, let it die.

You're lvl 180... of course those stats are crap for you not everybody has 2kkk in their inventory to get epic gear you know !!

[Syranne]

30% rate u can get from rings (next update it will be 32%), 50% from all equipment, if u want more u need max rate items.

btw 2kkk is enough maybe for ok set, but nothing epic :P

[Sharise]

With 2b u get 1x bos7 and 1x cr2. xD

[bakas13]

well guys got question as you compare amp vs dmg after update for bm3 can some1 tell me better is dmg for sure? and why? i just wanna know for sure before my sister buy something for fa

[Diabolique92]

Those stats are utter crap.

Also @you and @diabolique: look at the date of this thread, let it die.

Why would any1 let a thread die when u got smt to say about it?
The only diference about our posts are that u are off-topic and i`m on-topic.
Also i wasnt the one that bumped the thread, read again.

[Kenny41]

and around 30% amp I think you can do well in alot of dungeons and in pvp

30 amp.. 30 amp.. 30.. 30.. 30..


mother of god...

[Miavi]

ok so EVERYWHERE i go people says,
Crit Dmg Fa Sucks.
Amp Fa Sucks.
Crit Is Better,
Amp is better.
but what is the truth here? i have 70% amp on my fa and i think its strong.
but i also get told that if i had 20% mithril orbs +11 crit dmg would own harder.
so whats the truth of the matter?

Believe it or not were having the same argument in Cabal NA, the only difference is theres quite a few people who are convinced that a Mithril 7% magic skill amp on slot beats a Mithril 20% cdi orb in overall damage. And it has been going on and off. xD Anyway, before I start throwing my cents on this debate, let me introduce myself. Im known as Miavii in Cabal NA. I have been playing the FA since 2008 2 weeks upon the launch of Cabal and have been fond of this class ever since.


So this is what I think about this issue...Most people fail to see what works behind the two (CD and AMP).

AMP significantly increases a FA's DPS (Damage per second). There are two ways to see AMP's application: Dps combo and bm2 attack
For DPS combo:
Skills that have 1.3 seconds cooldown are widely used by FA's hence why crit shot > shadow shot> lances > are preferable for the dps combo in pvp, those sequence of skills are fast. Magic AMP have 2 uses here. One, it greatly increases the crit damage of Critical Shot by an enormous amount. Secondly, it raises non crit damage. If you come to think of it, are non crits really important in PVP? My Answer will be NO. In PvP you finish of an enemy's hp by critting as much as possible - its faster to kill when critting, non crits will take you forever, especially against a FA you cant outheal.

For BM2 normal attack.
This is the greatest dps move of a FA btw. Magic Amp once again, significantly increases the amount of damage dealt by those bullets. So when it comes to bm2 attack, those FA's with higher magic amp will be more likely to be finishing their targets faster than a cdi build FA. But how often do you use bm2? dungeons, clearing boss, nationwar or pvp...You got to think about the situations you deal with often where bm2 comes in handy and thats when you can decide whether amp is the way to go for your build.



Now what about the CD build FA?
Well this is my build. My magic amp could barely make it to 60 (Im at 58) and my critical damage increase is about 165%. It might sound weird but I keep on explaining to people the importance of amp even though my build itself is really not focused in amp. Well, its because Ive been there (was once amp build too) throughout the years of changing from one build to another, i know the effect of amp and cdi. I ended up as a cd build FA because the cost of those nice amp gears were hard to find and too expensive for me to afford, if available in the market. And I never did regret that choice of going cdi because I have discovered advantages of a cd build FA over AMP FA's.

I say, there is more Crit damage of skills increased by being cdi build which is a very good asset in pvp like some of you said especially in tg. The build is entirely focused on the skill crits rather than the non crits and bm2 normal attack. Now were talking about the entire skills other than crit shot. the lances/cannons, shadowshot, Gravity etc...All the skills cd are reatly increased with great amound of cd, You can utilize these advantage more in pvp or tg, given that the majority of your opponents arent above honor rank 18 because the 20% cdi resist does take off a decent amount from your crit dmge. This time we do less bm2,,,, more aura, more bm1 and combo mode which btw imo is more dangerous than bm2 normal attack even w/ aos because you cant be knocked down in combo mode. The focus is more on Eliminating enemy player targets rather than dpsing towers and guardians in bm2.

Here is a demo of me in tg doing what cd build is good at which is Crowd Control, notice my focus is on enemy targets: I have another one but Im gunna use this one because theres alot opponents in this video.






BUT it dont mean cd build is for pvp only. LOL if youre cd build you gotta crit alot. whether monster or player, they both get hurt with crits.

I know that this an old thread. But, I would just like to emphasize that it doesnt matter what build you choose. AMP or CD? theyre both good.

While AMP may contribute more on overall dps, crit damage works just as fine and almost the same. CDI however requires more crit rate. So FA's in this build should be aiming for above 56% critical rate I believe.

What matters is the amount of your magic attack. These days I believe breaking 1100 magic is ideal. Its what works behind AMP and CD.

[vetrover]

I enjoyed your video miavi very nice

[Agito]

well the vid is oke .. atleast u know all in all how to play .. tho .. imo u tank a bit to much .. prolly that´s why u use moral which i don´t use at all at tg
but okay seems like u can tank at na ... if i´d play like u do here i´d be 1shoted immediately even in dual-bm ^_^
u might tell me what´s ur def .. just to compare if dmg at na rly isn´t that high .. or if u just have huge def(maybe mith+14 or wutever)

and ye .. u use legacy all the time so ur build doesn´t rly matter ... just at ur bm2 ur "lacking amp" was obvious since ur dmg was quite low there

but don´t get me wrong, i think u did well .. for ur build ... just wanna point out that it has disadvantages atm too , same as u did too be4

well with bm3 it prolly will be nice
i´ll still stay mixed build ... but change a bit to more critdmg tho... just have to farm .. but what i´m aiming for if bm3 is out are 72amp and 180critdmg (1* 7/24 and 1*40dmg orb) so i should deal quite good dmg both in bm2 and bm3

[Miavi]

@vetrover
Thanks.

@Agito
Yes Exactly. I got hold of the legacy weapon since the point of having weapons are primarily for bm2 dps. but as a crit build my damage is relatively low compared to amped FA's. So which is why my focus was on crowd control pvp. I made use of mithril gear not to tank, that is never my intention in tg, tanking in my situation comes secondary and kinda more like unintentional, I think of using mithril's defense for more chances of survival or in other words more chances to escape enemy crowds that eventually surround me. I maintain my range from behind to support the front line ally damage.

And as you mentioned mixed build. That's actually what I would suggest FA's to aim for at this moment. It is very possible now to obtain 20/7 or 40/7 or those multi amped Lyca orbs compared before when it was really rare or not existing yet. and I know that amp scrolls will be available (in a very rare chance) next update with bm3 so I think a 14% amp 24% damage weapon will be introduced sometime in the future and that's probably what Im gunna aim working on when I get back to play cabal.

I told my fellow's in cabal NA that the debate between 7% amp orbs and 20% amp orbs is really pointless at this moment. They are almost nearly obsolete imo, now that more and more players are using Mithril armors and reaching higher honor ranks, we gotta consider alot of factors that are emerging like honor rank 18 or belt of damp +4 and resist cdi/amp stats that can instantly sweep off the 7% amp or 20% cdi stats away from those "simple" weapons which will render our damage weak. I know its expensive but the only way to keep up with the updates being introduced is to acquire what weapon/gear that works or if not you'll be left behind.
But I will always remind everyone to prioritize their amount of magic attack, because it really is important. Aim for higher level orbs and make it the highest upgrade.


My defense is crap LOL I only used a +10 mithril amp set on that war, my osm helm is at +13, I couldnt afford ros +10 (I couldve had more defense if i did) as you can see in the video i used 3 cr +2's with the support of aura for rate loss. I dont think my FA is up to date since I stopped playing last December (2 months ago) for school. Im prolly left behind, so dont even ask about it. lol