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    Quote Originally Posted by Miavi View Post
    Im not sure too because its totally different from NA to EU you know. You guys might have more advanced equipments and different gameplay so yeah I believe you. You know during those last days I was playing 2 months ago, there were quite a few people in NA who have maxed upgrade their Mithril to +15 on top of the +15 mithril weapons too and boy am I glad to have NOT participated in tg anymore LOOOOL because im sure its going to be more challenging going against those people with +15 mithril gears. xD

    But like I said, tanking was never my intention in that video. I still have more than 1100 magic attack w/o mana condense (1103 magic attack to be exact) with just Offensive Bless buff when im using my own orbs so It wasnt that of a big deal losing mana condense since 1103 + the +390 magic attack of legacy weapon could cut it.

    Tanking is never a force archer's job, even out of tg. The way i see it is that the advantage of Mithril level armors compared to lower level armors accounts more for survivability, you have more chances of getting out of the enemy crowd when ure being mobbed wearing mithril than wearing a lower armor like lets say osmium, but thats not called tanking its different, coz im not just standing amongst the enemy crowd like warriors/force shielder that have that kind of defense, the only reason why ill stay put is because i got execrated by a fb or I was in aos and the enemies got to me amidst that moment. but notice how I flee as my hp bar goes half? My FA wont last if I tank like FS or WA. The thing is at that point, I was well aware of the situation and i knew when and how to escape.
    But then again, enemy damage is also a factor to be considered, so if im not mistaken the opponents you guys deal with in your tg probably hits harder than what i deal with in na right? and so you gotta be more careful. Its just a matter of adapting to what you deal with. So yeah, lol tank is not an option for FA, its a situation! tanking never is a FA's job in tg, its suicide.


    @Kenny
    What I meant was hard to kill not crit, so sorry bout that mistyped response I meant kill. So thats exactly my point... if your crit damage is greatly reduced due to your opponents 1.3 defense... what more can your base damage do. Thei ncreased damage of noncrits due to amp is just a way to push your overall damage in a combo but its not guaranteed for success to eliminate a target in pvp as much as critting often. That is why I mentioned on my first post the importance of crit rate for cd build FA's.

    Im so embarassed now to share my videos LOL but I want to prove my point so ill show you. I did have gathered some footage as reference for proof about how crit damage works in freestyle. This is not a freestyle duel but a pk. Freestyle duel is a test of skills where getting the first hit matters, and thats even harder if youre a crit build FA and you keep doing non crit damage on ur enemy >.<

    Now before you make judgements, you got to realize that i am not xSimca (Agito). my stats havent gotten to that level around this point. >.< If i had his stats, different story - its probably gunna be easier seeing that damage would be way more different. This video will show you the application of crit damage. or in other words what happens if you crit alot and what happens if you dont.



    Put your focus on the FS as he really did brought my 165% cd DOWN with his defense.

    This is his stats on that fight
    This is my stats on that fight not my current stats though, i made some changes before i left.


    So what if I had 57% or 60% rate? its different story >< I have experience in pk, like I said i read most my enemies like novels
    ive been pking for 4 years. But sadly sometimes your skill isnt enough, you gotta have the right gears too. to balance your chances for success.




    on your big long essay, i just noticed that your def is 1k only.. is it true?
    u wearing fullset mith +11 right? should have def more than that right?

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    no that time it wasnt theyre all +10.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miavi View Post
    no that time it wasnt theyre all +10.
    now your def is?

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    like I told the other guy dont ask about it. xD


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    Quote Originally Posted by LateyGaGa View Post
    lol... Guns FTW!!!

    You need amp for bm2... it's sure that you say they sucks if you don't even know how to use a FA.. lol...

    NO WORDS.

    Atm i'm with 2*mith orb 7 amp +11... but soon i will got for cd + amp (hope for a lyca)

    And i can totally say that i OWN every char with just 2 mith orb 7 amp!

    So, just imagine.
    If you was read all threat you will not write the nonsense.
    Difference between 2x7 amp and 2x26 cd is not so much. Now a days when 2x3/20 amp/cd wep can be found easy I really can't see for what you talk because 14 amp can't beat 6/40 amp/cd in any way.
    If you want to do big scores in TG with using on BM2 then is better to go on guardians/walls/towers.
    If you want more fun and much kills is better to get 2x26 cd or 2x3/20 amp/cd or mix and to use BM1+aura+3xCR+2 rings and combo.
    BM2 is not so good it give much dmg but and much risk to be killed. BM1 give you flexibility to hit much without to be downed and to run when you want with stop on combo. If you meat other FA then BM1 > BM2 and your amp build can show you only how much crap are you.
    In BM1 you can use Legacy weapon which give you a lot of dmg. In BM2 you cannot use it.
    For me 2x7 amp weps are crap in TG. And I use BM2 only when there is a lot of ppl and I can't be primary target because there I can use and aos, or on guardians/walls where no one can down me.
    At all if you want big amp build you need 10-14 amp parts or/and Lycanus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AVATARAT View Post
    If you was read all threat you will not write the nonsense.
    Difference between 2x7 amp and 2x26 cd is not so much. Now a days when 2x3/20 amp/cd wep can be found easy I really can't see for what you talk because 14 amp can't beat 6/40 amp/cd in any way.
    If you want to do big scores in TG with using on BM2 then is better to go on guardians/walls/towers.
    If you want more fun and much kills is better to get 2x26 cd or 2x3/20 amp/cd or mix and to use BM1+aura+3xCR+2 rings and combo.
    BM2 is not so good it give much dmg but and much risk to be killed. BM1 give you flexibility to hit much without to be downed and to run when you want with stop on combo. If you meat other FA then BM1 > BM2 and your amp build can show you only how much crap are you.
    In BM1 you can use Legacy weapon which give you a lot of dmg. In BM2 you cannot use it.
    For me 2x7 amp weps are crap in TG. And I use BM2 only when there is a lot of ppl and I can't be primary target because there I can use and aos, or on guardians/walls where no one can down me.
    At all if you want big amp build you need 10-14 amp parts or/and Lycanus.
    In terms of war, a war build IS a bm2 build. When you are not using bm2 you will be using a leg. Period. If you can't hold onto a leg, you and your party have other things to worry about, instead of worrying about the very small difference between 7 amp and 20 cd.

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    If you have not just random party but with your friends and have tactic to play together and someone will safe your back - yes you are right.
    But from my exp in TG with this random parties - in most situation you care about you and just look how much scores/kills you will do. For this you need good build/equipment. And difference in your wep will reflect only on your scores/kills. Because this ppl care about that they will do 30 dmg more or less.
    About 'war build' and BM2 just re-read my post above.
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    btw, what would be an alternative wep for bm3? now i have lyca 12 amp+7 and crys 7 amp +7 with 40 cd helm..
    lyca is no slot so low att ..
    max 1 b..topaz 30 or mith 20 cd +11
    can t afford seh..cant afford mith 26 cd...
    maybe 2 x mith +11 20 cd would be ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miavi View Post
    Thankyou. Im a mercury FA in NA


    @Kenny

    Oh ok but i still disagree with your concept no disrespect. but Thanks.
    Freestyle is fun, I have a freestyle video too, its just not resist rate that makes some opponents hard to crit on - kill, even too much defense (Ex. a FS or WA with 1300) can make it hard.

    But id say I have enough experience. Im not worried of losing magic attack w/o mana condense in war. I can read most of my opponent movements like a novel.

    @Lovelace
    No im not, ill pm u the song.
    Oh thankies I got it and I have more umineko soundtracks thanks to you. So you are the miavii in usa cabal? and I see your vdeos in youtube. seeing that you got mithril +15 orb porbably epic one why did you downgrade to the topaz and the sigmetal on the video? if im correct you are the one I watch in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ABAdK1sHbM and you have 1222 here? build should be better ryt? I mean 1222 w/o offensive bless party buff is very huge!

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    i got orb %29CD lycan = mith 7 amp for bm2

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsLovelace View Post
    Oh thankies I got it and I have more umineko soundtracks thanks to you. So you are the miavii in usa cabal? and I see your vdeos in youtube. seeing that you got mithril +15 orb porbably epic one why did you downgrade to the topaz and the sigmetal on the video? if im correct you are the one I watch in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ABAdK1sHbM and you have 1222 here? build should be better ryt? I mean 1222 w/o offensive bless party buff is very huge!
    Yeah but that video is old, it was a year ago, my FA still martial build, lol. xD Martial FA build vanished and if I stayed that build, ill probably get crushed like a bug in tg >.<. The downgrade wasnt a big deal, I dont care about damage now as much as I do before, no matter how much damage I deal as long as its decent enough, Im still fine to go with my skills and knowledge about controlling my FA. and in war, lol legacy weapon is just enough.
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    i had 2 mithril orbs 7% amp

    1 + 11 and 1 +15..

    then the bm3 notice came and i saw vids on youtube.

    i went thinking.

    atm i wear 2x +11 20/3 orbs, and my outcome is much better then before,

    before i had 1215 magic ( buffed)

    now i have 1180 magic (buffed)

    and amp i had 67% and now 60%

    amp is history, its needed but in ep2 AMPbuild FA"s did more dmg then CD dmg build fa's cuz of the low crit rate. then if you had like 45 rate (or even lower) Amp did its work in the yellow hits.

    now with the high rates, i prefer cd over amp.

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    i just get 1 question here. is that normal can kill rota in single bm2 for FA lvl 180?

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    ^what stats u got lol XD?

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    yep,i wear same but crystals20/3 and its way better either 7 amp!

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    7/24 forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovaHeartss View Post
    ^what stats u got lol XD?

    40cd helm
    magic 1152
    critical rate 44/51
    crit dmg 106
    amp 65%

    7amp 24cd helm
    amp 72%
    cd 90%

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    u cannot kill rota 1 sp xD i dont believe it with that stats !

    i have 132 dmg and 60 amp 1184 magic

    and i need atleast to combo after bm2 + aos

    or is that the same u ment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovaHeartss View Post
    u cannot kill rota 1 sp xD i dont believe it with that stats !

    i have 132 dmg and 60 amp 1184 magic

    and i need atleast to combo after bm2 + aos

    or is that the same u ment?
    I am jealous of your m.attack T.T

    I also cannot 1 bar a rota with bm2 yet ~.~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathy View Post
    I am jealous of your m.attack T.T

    I also cannot 1 bar a rota with bm2 yet ~.~
    btw since u got bm3 already *drowl* XD

    with im thinking of making a 40 dmg helm, but idk for sure

    since i already got a 24/7 helm

    would i do more dmg with the 24/7 or the 40 dmg in bm3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovaHeartss View Post
    btw since u got bm3 already *drowl* XD

    with im thinking of making a 40 dmg helm, but idk for sure

    since i already got a 24/7 helm

    would i do more dmg with the 24/7 or the 40 dmg in bm3?
    if your rate is high, yes 16 cd should put out higher average damage than 7 amp, but the difference is very very slight... I 2 bar a pluma with 10 seconds left with 7 amp orbs, and 14 seconds left with 20 cd orbs lol.

    I personally would stay 7 amp if you like to war (because of rate resist), and 16 cd for pure pve. Unless you get an amp scroll, then go 7 amp/40 damage
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    well i got 2x 20/4 orbs +11

    so that wouldt be a problem, but ye maby i make a 40/7 helm then i got enough rate in bm

    thnx =3

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