Hi! Which character is better at solo dung with bm3?
Fs? Fb?
Hi! Which character is better at solo dung with bm3?
both are good.
^ Wow this shows that you simply do not read the actual thread.
Personally I'd say FB has the better BM3.
Solo wise, id say their would be very little difference in times between FB/FS ( with the same gear) at max 5mins difference in time.
I can do IC1 solo (as example in around a max of 25mins , a normal time being 23mins. Whereas other FS's i know also do it in roughly the same time.)
If I was to choose behind FB and FS i'd go for FB solo wise because they have hardluck , a nice synergy ( 15 rate/mcr)-10cd but overall I have 74 base rate + hardluck for the whole of BM3 using synergy. Meaning overall mores crits, better dmg overall. Compared to FS(to my knownledge) doesnt have a rate/mcr synergy meaning that in the normal stats of a nice geared FS they could end up with a max of 61 rate.
So my vote goes to FB!
yup go with fb...so u die each boss.
FS has a +7 rate (+14 when triple stack) synergy, but it doesn't take the 10 crit dmg awayOriginally Posted by KillerKarlJ
He did ic1 in 23 mins i did it in 18 (when i was 177 cr+1 and eof +6 and no amP rune) now i am 181 amp rune maxed cr+2 and sig eof. Ofc with reloging..
Fs have 7 rate and 7 dmg from synergy + 45 cd buff and 24 rate and u get the buff from regular i think, so easy growing up, + aod and mb.
So fs > fb in my oppinion.
P.S: also fs have way higher def than fb.
Hell was full so im back ...
fb simply deals way higher dmg than fs as i told in fb-section at same thread already
both in party and solo .... fb will always be faster in dung with similar gear
@ guy above
so u did ic1 in 18mins with relog congratz ... so add the time u needed for relogs and dancing and everything and u needed how long ... 2hours?
karl needed 23mins of his real time .... not like u 2hours or sumthing like that just so u see a "18" as ingame-counter
seriously bragging with times done via relog is so fkin dumb xd
You sir, are simply stupid. I dont die at every boss (nor usually I dont die at all). This is with 850 def and about 4K hp. You just dont have a clue. So move your clueless self to comment on something you have some experience with thx.
Oki, didn't know about that thx for info. Does that synergy give 7 mcr / 14 at triple stack also? Or just simply 7 rate?
Ok lets clear thing up right now.
You think defence is important? You really suck then.
I did 23 mins w/o any relogs spam. You did 18mins with relog spam. The differnce I dont need to relog for bm aura boss to boss for say ? AoD + MB for a imba dmg increase. Good job man really good job. Shows you dont know to play w/o spamming BM/aura + shorts for bosses. Do a normal run no relogs and I bet you wont even do it near the same time as me.
True story.
Last edited by KillerKarlJ; 08-09-2012 at 11:18.
suck my lollipop nub.
14 rate when triple stack, vs 15 rate when single stack.
I think we will both agree sometimes having the highest rate possible yields the best DPS output even without cd/amp/attack boost.
Anyway what kind of DPS are we talking about here? Burst DPS FS might win due to MB, which has 5min cooltime though. In a real dungeon run (let's pick aos1?) with no relog involved FB will outDPS FS anytime. With my FB I could match the DPS of an equally geared WI with Saint Weapon. Who cares about 10 dmg when you have 85 rate (75+10) and dmg from HL?
18 min with relog, haha so slow ;D
Mezame :3 ''The only way to stay safe is to constantly change the security system. gm.com don't have the capabilities to do so, and the company in charge of cabal security updates is probably asleep''.
unrelated.
Anyone found a use for that -10dmg opponent in our critical synergy? xD
Bosses with CD/CR in the future? ;]
Fb dosnt make more dmg in bm3.
And is reloging just gor mortal banne, w/o relog is 20 min at 177 but i will make a vid to show you that fs is better than fb.
And for the guy who laughed out of my time, i wanna see u doin" it faster.
Last edited by nakY-; 08-09-2012 at 14:50.
Hell was full so im back ...
But FB has debuffs also...and guys, cause of less time in ic1: You did with extra boss?
alot of ppl do it faster than 18mins ... so sorry to disappoint u ... and these ppl do it without relogs
i myself can do it in 15mins without relog or any potions
So maybe yiu can prove and make a small video of you doing in 14 mins + else i wont belive that
Hell was full so im back ...
Still laughing that you needed to relog for 18 min, but as Agito explained some people did it in 18 min or less without relog. That includes me, actually I know atleast 10 FB players on Mars who did it in 18 min or a bit faster.
Mezame :3 ''The only way to stay safe is to constantly change the security system. gm.com don't have the capabilities to do so, and the company in charge of cabal security updates is probably asleep''.
Well in the FB section i wrote that FS will have more dps than FB with MB on. And without MB, FB will have more dps.
Ey, as i said i did it in 20 mins at 177 with rings +1 eof +6 and no Amp rune, now that i changef everything i make faster than 18 no reloging. Anyway i rlly wanna see u doin it in 15 mins. Are u from mars?
Hell was full so im back ...
but again fb can reach 100rate with hardluck and still has same critdmg as fs like this(ty to hardluck and sword-buffs) while fs reaches like 70rate maybe with synergies ... even if fs has moral bane ... i highly doubt he will outdmg fb
and i can`t do vid ... i never did and i have no idea how to do ... i can do a run tomorrow maybe and take a screen of the finished-window if u want me to ... i will use arionell-merc so u can see that i didn`t relog or anything since it should have only a low time left
15-16 min is already done by Lillers (FB) on Mars (if im not mistaken in the time, hope he can post to confirm it himself) and also those excuses like I don't have this or that makes u look even more crappier than massive relogging for buff. ;o
My char was lvl 181 with BM3 Fatal1, and I had a few things missing like 2xbof+7, 14cd prideus, aop+6, cr+2, leth, eof+8 and all runes that increase dmg. Anymore excuses to add? Oh yes almost forgot to mention I made that time on my LAGtop, since I havent bought any new pc parts yet. And sorry to disappointed you, im not going to join the Cabal e-penis community, last time I proven I can get my Wa in the old top time list mercury people went crying. I don't like sad people. D:, I rather focuss on something else like FT2 Solo for FB.
Btw I saw the toptime (Mars) eod2 is made by a FB (time: 21:xx), just saying because u seem to be intrested.
Mezame :3 ''The only way to stay safe is to constantly change the security system. gm.com don't have the capabilities to do so, and the company in charge of cabal security updates is probably asleep''.
Take this from someone who has played both endgame FS and FB.
Generally you do not double any synergy, because a double synergy is not strong enough to outperform a combination of two.
In case of solo, there is no question in my mind that FB deals more DPS, simply because of the rate synergy and HL. This gives FB a 23% rate advantage which is too hard to overcome. Mortal Bane can and does overcome by quite a bit, but you need decent natural rate. I'd say if you have 50 Rate the damage evens out and at 57 Rate it gets much better. This is why it's very important to build the FS correctly. That 7 Rate is a huge difference in BM3. You'd have to gain 30 CD for the same effect.
In party the rate becomes less significant. In an ideal party which has both FB and FS, FB does not have the advantage of HL so things even out, and I really mean that. The difference in DPS is very low. If you have to pick one of them, FB is better because HL helps the entire party. If you count Mortal Bane, the damage is significantly higher in favor of FS. There's no arguing about this.
Mortal Bane really doesn't count, because it's hardly usable in any dungeon that matters. As a conclusion:
Solo. FB > FS. The only way for FS to be faster is by relogging for MB.
Party. FB = FS
It was 16:XX, I don't recall the second part because I'm out of Cabal for a while. That was, of course, without any relogs or potions. Single BM, only 1 try.15-16 min is already done by Lillers (FB) on Mars (if im not mistaken in the time, hope he can post to confirm it himself) and also those excuses like I don't have this or that makes u look even more crappier than massive relogging for buff. ;o
Btw I saw the toptime (Mars) eod2 is made by a FB (time: 21:xx), just saying because u seem to be intrested.
As for eod2, a slight damage advantage is not really important. It's more of a dashing contest.
I'm guessing it's meant for PvP. I suspect that they did not intend for BM3 to two-hit people in PvP initially.
Last edited by TrulyTrivial; 08-09-2012 at 19:36.
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